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Are They Going to Take Away our Pencils?/ or a Lack of Knowldge is a very Dangerous Thing.
Joseph C. Phillips, O.D. | 9-27-01 | Joe Phillips, aka Badjoe

Posted on 09/27/2001 1:43:51 PM PDT by BADJOE

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To: BADJOE
You so big and stwong, badjoe. Now, if only your IQ were higher...
41 posted on 09/27/2001 5:37:47 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
If you know it and they know it, at least you are going into the frey even.

Would you rather only they knew it, and we were ignorant?

42 posted on 09/27/2001 5:38:05 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: Bush2000
No.

I am old and frail.

But be advised. Don't screw with me.

43 posted on 09/27/2001 5:39:55 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
I am old and frail.

You are NOT old and frail. Now take that back!

44 posted on 09/27/2001 6:29:55 PM PDT by WillaJohns
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To: habs4ever
Thanks Habs, hard lesson. However, it is said that, "necessity is the mother of invention." The need to survive should supercede the inhibition to act and act decisively.
45 posted on 09/27/2001 7:52:10 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Ok Xena, BadJoe will conduct hand to hand combat classes next week...be there!! Remember, play dirty...:-)
46 posted on 09/27/2001 7:56:43 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
LOL.
47 posted on 09/27/2001 8:09:52 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: BADJOE
If you know it and they know it, at least you are going into the frey even. Would you rather only they knew it, and we were ignorant?

Don't mind me, Joe. I'm just messing with you. Sometimes, when I'm tired and cranky, I do that. Nothing personal. I'll try to reform.
48 posted on 09/27/2001 8:55:01 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
I did not take it personally.
49 posted on 09/28/2001 6:15:36 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
Good. :)
50 posted on 09/28/2001 4:57:15 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: habs4ever
BadJoe will conduct hand to hand combat classes next week...be there!! Remember, play dirty...:-)

"Playing dirty"... terrorism is "playing dirty."

The rules of "fair" combat were created in the Stone Age. Grognark the Mighty from the Belbar Tribe (fictional character) decided he wanted to be able to beat people up without getting his eyes gouged out or nasty teeth marks on his face, and all the other warriors agreed with him. This gave the warriors a monopoly on being able to beat up regular people--if a regular cavern dweller took on a warrior in a fair fight, he would get beaten 99% of the time. If the fight was "dirty," he stood a much better chance of winning.

This system of honor has been carried over from then to Medieval times, where we got Chivalry. It still exists today, professional armies are not allowed to use mustard gas or hollowpoint bullets. But if someone breaks into your home with intent to hurt you, I doubt you'll have any qualms about emptying a clip full of hollowpoints into them, even if all they have is a crowbar. That's "playing dirty," too.

51 posted on 09/28/2001 5:29:04 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: BADJOE
Any edge is better than no edge at all. Anything we can do to throw the opfor off balance puts the notch a little more in our favor. As has already been said, group ambush. Grab the camel raping freek from all sides (if possible) and drag his backside to the floor, kicking and stomping as hard and often as possible. Repeat as needed.
52 posted on 09/28/2001 5:30:01 PM PDT by Darksheare
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To: BADJOE, fourdeuce82d
It is so easy to kill an agressor with little strength, when one knows how.

Well, that is not exactly true. While technically knowing how to kill is obviously important, unless you are highly conditioned (or a sociopath) you will run into a lot of problems on the execution end.

Human beings are hardwired NOT to kill their own species. That is why even in blind rage we tend to hit with fists (a highly ineffective way of causing injury) when driving a thumb into the eye socket of an opponent would be infinitely more effective.

Killing gets easier as the you get "farther away" from your victim and the act - both figuratively and literally. It is much easier to push a button from an army base or airplane and drop a bomb that kills thousands than it is to walk up to someone with a Glock and shoot them in the face. Looking someone in the eyes and killing them with your bare hands (or a pencil) would we one of the harder things a human could be called upon to do.

You need both the knowledge and either a lack of humanity or extreme conditioning in order to overcome the natural resistance to kill in such a PRIMAL way even if your life is in immediate danger.

That said, assuming someone on the WTC planes had the knowledge and the conditioning it is probable they did not know the immediacy of the danger to the lives of themselves and their countrymen thus making this harder.

53 posted on 09/29/2001 11:28:07 AM PDT by ouroboros
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I appreciate your comments, however the Pennsylvania flight proves ordinary people can do extraordinary things in heroic ways.
54 posted on 09/29/2001 6:34:24 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
I had this technique taught to me in the Army. [I was very good at it too.]
55 posted on 09/29/2001 6:55:19 PM PDT by SurferDoc
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To: BADJOE
the inabilty to see with either eye when one is is severly damaged.

I love topics like this. You must read Loompanics like me.

This reminds me of the line in "Broadway Danny Rose," when Mia Farrow tells Woody Allen that her former husband was shot in the eyes.

"You mean he's blind?" asked Woody.

"No, dead," said Mia.

"Oh, that's right, cause the bullets keep going through..."

Speaking of killing people correctly, few of us appreciates the proper way of inflicting a truly deadly neck wound.

The cliche you see in the movies is the razor-like slash across the neck. This is not how to cut someone's throat. It's much better to plunge the knife deeply into the neck, then TWIST it inside the neck, and THEN pull it out. Even more effective with a serrated, notched blade.

You get much more blood loss much more quickly, plus it's almost impossible to repair surgically. A mere "slash" can (sort-of) be contained by binding the wound with cloth while treatment is found.

It's just one of those things...

56 posted on 08/22/2002 2:58:58 PM PDT by paulklenk
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