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Berlusconi Comments Cause Stir -- (A MUST READ)
AP ^ | September 26, 2001, 5:06 PM EDT | By CANDICE HUGHES

Posted on 09/26/2001 2:39:00 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

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To: Torie
tony blair, bill clintoon, der fuhrer schroeder, the lollipop barak. just because we march into a new world order together, shoulder to shoulder, does not make my chest swell with warmth. that being said, God bless the brits, may they, as we, pull our socialist heads out of our mccains.
81 posted on 09/26/2001 3:10:20 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: TheOtherOne
Go Silvio go!

They say this all the time in the Muslim world. They figure they are superior. We are entitled to say the same.
I see millions of Muslims moving to the West, flooding France in fact.     I see zero immigration to Muslim lands. What does this say?


 www.dhimmi.com

(II) The Adepts of Radical Islamism Subscribe to an Anachronistic and Widely Discredited Version of a Universal, Monotheistic Faith, Islam, that is a Source of Inspiration to Hundreds of Millions of Muslims worldwide.

(A) Radical Islamists believe in a 1400 year-old religious concept that divides the world into two zones: Dar al-Islam: the realm of peace and Dar al-harb: the realm of war. The former is a zone that is ruled by Islamic states which are worthy of full peace, while the latter is ruled by infidels who inhabit a zone of war, susceptible to Islamic subjugation. Radical Islamists promote a religious worldwide confrontation between the two zones that grants legitimacy to imperial conquest, colonialism, slavery, ethnic cleansing, suppression of liberties, forced religious conversion, and Jihad or Holy War.

(B) Radical Islamists also believe in the 1400 year-old concept of Ridda which holds that a natural born or converted Muslim may not convert or revert to another religion. Today, in many countries ruled or influenced by the Radical Islamist version of Koranic Law, there exists a religiously sanctioned death penalty for those who may decide to change their religion.


(III) Radical Islamism Imposes an Inferior Status on All Non-Muslims and the Special Subservient Status of Dhimmi for "the People of the Book" - Jews and Christians.

In the 7th century, the Caliph Umar imposed this Dhimmi status on conquered populations under his rule. Christians, Jews, and others were forced to accept Al-Shurut al-Umariya, or Umar's conditions, a system of restrictions designed to shame and despoil non-Muslim subjects. Dhimmi peoples had to relinquish their land, were forced to pay a special "protection" tax (dhimma) or face death, wear distinctive clothing, and were banned from most government positions.

Today, Radical Islamists seek to re-impose this state-sanctioned discrimination, calling it an effort to "protect" minorities. In reality, such measures are always part of an effort to enforce assimilation, conversion, and to annihilate the identity of others. The example of Afganistan, where the Hindu minority is forced to wear distinctive clothing to mark them as infidels, is among the most well known.

In areas throughout the Islamic world, Radical Islamists use repression and violence against infidel minorities. In Egypt, Radical Islamists persecute the Copts; in Sudan, the Radical Islamist regime massacres and enslaves the Dinkas, both Christian and traditionalist; in Lebanon, Radical Islamists terrorize the Christians; in Nigeria, they butchered Biafran Ibos and oppress the Christians. In Iraq and Syria, alleged secular radical regimes that are governed by Arab nationalist ideologies and penetrated by Jihadic norms suppress native Christian cultures. In Iran, they persecute Christians and Bahais; in Kashmir, they wage a terrorist war against the Hindu minority; in the southern Philippines, they terrorize Catholics and kidnap foreigners; in East Timor, they have endorsed the regime's attempts at ethnic cleansing against Christians; in Indonesia, they routinely assault the native Christians, particularly in the Moluccas.


 


82 posted on 09/26/2001 3:10:26 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Clemenza
BRAVO SILVIO!!!

I agree, Signor Berlusconi is outspoken and direct when it comes to the defense of Western values. BTW, he also happens to be opposed the the dilution of the Italian national character by uncontrolled immigration.

On the Mexican amnesty threads, you often are there supporting the amnesty, and being somewhat critical of Americans who want to preserve their borders and cultures.

Why is it O.K. for Italy to do something in this direction and not for the United States?

83 posted on 09/26/2001 3:11:05 PM PDT by bulldog905
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To: StarFan stanz ELS Cacique paulie
Read thread, especially if you need cheering up.
85 posted on 09/26/2001 3:12:14 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Alberta's Child
well, God has used the jaw bone of an ass to do greater miracles.
86 posted on 09/26/2001 3:12:25 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: habs4ever
He's from Milan, and he used to be a singer on cruise ships,and his popularity probably went up 10 pts in Italy today.
20 in my cubicle.

patent  +AMDG

87 posted on 09/26/2001 3:12:55 PM PDT by patent
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To: TheOtherOne
He told a news conference, "We must be aware of the superiority of our civilization, a system that has guaranteed well-being, respect for human rights and -- in contrast with Islamic countries _ respect for religious and political rights, a system that has as its values understandings of diversity and tolerance."

Great food, great women and one great leader! Gotta love the Italians!

88 posted on 09/26/2001 3:13:22 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: bulldog905
if clem is anything, consistent isn't it.
89 posted on 09/26/2001 3:13:31 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: MarkWar
(Italian guys can speak the truth because they get to go home to the most beautiful women in the world regardless of what the press makes of their remarks...)

Is that why Bill Clinton was/is such a lying SOB? Look at what he has to come home to.

90 posted on 09/26/2001 3:14:47 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: cicero's_son
I didn't know there was a time limit here. Jesus Christ walked on this earth 2,000 years ago -- does he not count anymore?
91 posted on 09/26/2001 3:14:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: cicero's_son
Do you have any material from the period after 1400?
I think Alberta’s a Catholic, and we prefer the old stuff. Going with anything from the 1400s, well, Alberta's kind of one of those modernists. ;-)

patent  +AMDG

92 posted on 09/26/2001 3:15:09 PM PDT by patent
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To: zog
The west needs a crash manhattan project to develop any and all energy sources so we can bankrupt and ignore those islamic oil countries

When I suggested EXACTLY that 6 months ago I was pilloried by the Liberterians on this site for it. It didn't matter that our energy needs kept us hostage to every crackpot in the Middle East. I wonder if they think energy is part of national defense now?

93 posted on 09/26/2001 3:16:13 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: TheOtherOne
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Wednesday said Western civilization is superior to Islam.

Just wondering: is there an established set of criteria that one uses to determine the superiority of one culture or civilization over another? If so, who set up the criteria, and by what authority?

94 posted on 09/26/2001 3:16:54 PM PDT by CubicleGuy
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To: TheOtherOne
Berlusconi went on to say "that the police should crack down on anyone who might be wearing a diaper on his head,....."
95 posted on 09/26/2001 3:17:28 PM PDT by TRY ONE
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To: TheOtherOne
This sounds like something similar to what Dennis Prager said today. If you line up countries like Sudan, Afghanistan, Egypt, etc. and compare them to Western nations, there is no comparison as to which are morally superior. Compare their human rights, women's rights, economies, systems of justice...there really is no comparison.

I know that they, and their sympathizers, will say we have no right to judge, but in just the case of women's rights alone they don't even see men and women as being equal HUMANS. I think we have a right, and a responsibility, to draw the world's attention to the true nature and intent of these governments.

96 posted on 09/26/2001 3:17:41 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: Torie
Berlusconi is shooting from the hip. What he said, even if true, serves no useful purpose. The guy's mouth should be taped shut. He's an idiot.

It serves a very useful purpose for me and helps me a great deal. He's validated a great deal of what I've believed all along. Now if our other leaders would speak that same truth.

97 posted on 09/26/2001 3:17:54 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Renatus
hey, human secularists resemble that remark.
98 posted on 09/26/2001 3:18:25 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Alberta's Child
Touche.

But no one here has said that Islamic culture never produced anything valuable. We just said that we're superior.

For example, I'm a big fan of Islamic tile patterns. However, I am a bigger fan of Plato, Aristotle, Tacitus, St. Augustine, Aquinas, Shakespeare, indoor plumbing, democracy, the internal combustion engine, jetliners, Mozart, and Burger King.

99 posted on 09/26/2001 3:18:38 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: TheOtherOne
I always wanted to visit Italy. This gives me even more reason to go (after things calm down). A big thank you to this man for having the courage to stand up for us and civilization.
100 posted on 09/26/2001 3:19:27 PM PDT by fly_so_free
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