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War will begin within days (LET'S ROLL)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 26, 2001 | By George Jones and Anton La Guardia

Posted on 09/25/2001 11:47:14 PM PDT by MadIvan

TONY BLAIR cleared the way yesterday for military strikes against Afghanistan within days by declaring that the Taliban would become an enemy in the battle against terrorism unless they handed over Osama bin Laden.

Standing in the Downing Street garden, he said that America and its allies had the power to do "very considerable damage" to the Taliban. "Military conflict there will be unless the Taliban change and respond to the ultimatum given to them," said Mr Blair.

As diplomats said that military action was likely to begin "within a week", Downing Street announced that Parliament would be recalled for one day on Thursday of next week. Political leaders had already indicated that MPs should be brought back only after action had started.

Mr Blair's ultimatum, delivered 24 hours after he briefed Iain Duncan Smith, the Conservative leader, and senior parliamentarians, was seen as preparing British and international opinion for hostilities.

The Taliban were further isolated yesterday when Saudi Arabia severed all relations with the regime. Last night, a Saudi official said that Afghan diplomats had been given 48 hours to leave the country.

This leaves only Pakistan maintaining diplomatic links with Kabul since the United Arab Emirates cut ties at the weekend. President Bush, whom Mr Blair visited last week and vowed to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with in the fight against terrorism, praised the Saudis' "wise step".

Only President Musharraf of Pakistan, the traditional backer of the Taliban, said that his country would maintain contact because "at least there should be one country who ought to be able to have an access to them".

In a message to the American people, the Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, stepped up his defiance. He said the attacks on New York and Washington were to avenge US "cruelty" towards Muslim countries.

"The American people must know that the sad events that took place recently were the result of their government's wrong policies. Your government is perpetrating all sorts of atrocities in Muslim countries. Instead of supporting your government's policies you should urge your government to reconsider their wrong and cruel policies."

He added, without claiming to know who was responsible: "The recent sad event in America was the result of these cruel policies and was meant to avenge this cruelty."

Mr Blair said the Taliban knew what it had to do. If it stood in the way of bringing bin Laden to account, it would be "every bit our enemy" as bin Laden himself. "Our enemy's friend becomes our enemy too," he said in his strongest warning yet that the Taliban would be toppled unless it agreed to hand over bin Laden.

He described the Taliban as a regime "founded on fear and funded largely by drugs and crime" where poverty and illness were endemic and women's rights "non-existent".

Mr Blair emphasised the unity of the coalition lined up against Afghanistan. He said military action would be directed at the Taliban and not at the ordinary people of Afghanistan and promised that Britain would help efforts to deliver food to Afghan refugees to avert a winter crisis.

The Prime Minister called his unscheduled press conference after a day of non-stop diplomacy aimed at securing international and domestic political backing for military action. The most significant breakthrough came late on Monday with President Putin's announcement that Russia would share intelligence with the West and help the opposition Northern Alliance in northern Afghanistan.

In a historic address to the Bundestag in Berlin, Mr Putin yesterday sought to capitalise on his gesture by calling on the West to welcome Russia back to the diplomatic top table.

Mr Blair did not state when the ultimatum to the Taliban would run out nor does the Government expect a positive response. But it was meant to increase the pressure on the regime and provide justification for America and Britain to take military action.

"We have the power to do very considerable damage to the Taliban regime, and any action we take will be directed towards the regime, and not the ordinary people of Afghanistan," he said.

As the world lined up behind the coalition, Abdul Sattar, Pakistan's foreign minister, warned against governments giving military aid to the Taliban's Northern Alliance opponents. He said: "We must not make the blunder of trying to foist a government on the people of Afghanistan."

His comments were seen as reflecting concern in Pakistan that Iran, an old enemy of the Taliban, might, after yesterday's visit by Jack Straw, have a greater say in the future of Islamabad's old client state.

Recognising the delicacy of Gen Musharraf's position, Mr Bush did not call on Pakistan to follow Saudi Arabia's lead and instructed his officials to moderate previous talk about overthrowing the Taliban.

The president said he wanted to "make sure that Pakistan is a stable country and that whatever consequences may occur as a result of actions we may or may not take, is one that we do the best we can to manage".

He called on Afghan citizens disenchanted with Taliban rule to help the US pursue bin Laden but added that he was not interested in "nation-building" or supplanting regimes. "We're focused on justice and we're going to get justice. It's going to take a while probably but I'm a patient man. Nothing will diminish my will and my determination."

The Prime Minister attempted to calm concerns that terrorists might be planning biological or chemical weapons attacks on Britain after the head of the World Health Organisation warned governments to prepare for possible attacks. He said there was no specific threat and it was important not to be "alarmist" about such possibilities.

Labour confirmed that its annual conference in Brighton next week would be cut short, finishing on Wednesday to enable MPs to return to Westminster. Mr Duncan Smith reaffirmed his "full backing" for the Government's support for America's efforts to bring the perpetrators of the World Trade Centre and Pentagon atrocities to justice. "They were attacks we simply cannot allow to go unpunished," he said.


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To: Republic of Texas
Flag- see #139
141 posted on 09/26/2001 9:57:40 AM PDT by mafree
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To: MadIvan
Mr Duncan Smith reaffirmed his "full backing" for the Government's support for America

Good! I hope the conservative party can begin to build their support in England now. Tony Blair sounds better everyday. Thanks MadIvan, good post.

142 posted on 09/26/2001 9:59:08 AM PDT by Teacup
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To: Travis McGee
The FBI has not captured Eric Rudolph in several years, hiding in the 4,000 foot Appalachians a few hundred miles from FBI HQ.

It is widely held in the Nantahala area that the folks that Rudolph was associated with, take care of their own. And they took care of the problem with a lead vaccination. Furthermore, there is wide held disdain for the Federal Gov't in the Appalachians going way back to the time of the Irish potato famine. Gov't took alot of land and put alot of restrictions on the Appalachian folks lifestyle. The FBI's presence in while looking for Rudolph really p.o.'ed the natives there. Anyway, you can't compare that with the search for Bin Laudin. Bin Laudin is a bigger target by the way of his followers, supporters, financial assets and his drive for power & influence. He can't live like a rat forever. Parents turn over their own kids to the law, someone will do the same to Bin Laudin if a Marine Sniper doesn't get him first.

143 posted on 09/26/2001 9:59:18 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: RoarNLion
Just don't look under your bed at night...and leave the light on.

Boo!

144 posted on 09/26/2001 10:11:16 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: quimby
Re #54-55, Condi is HOT!
145 posted on 09/26/2001 10:28:38 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner
See this:

Red Pill / Blue Pill

146 posted on 09/26/2001 10:33:09 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Republic of Texas
I didn't say Delta or the SAS were a brass band, but they are far more valuable being "pro-active" in other theaters rather than hiding out in the Hindu Kush trying to spot Osama.

The Special Forces are good, but let's face it, it will take them weeks just to get up to speed for high output above 10,000 feet.

The locals, who carry only a rifle and three magazines (no ruck) fast marching between caches will run circles around them in the mountains, and can disappear at will, (as the Russians found), into "cracks in the earth".

It's a question of the best application of our best troops. Afghanistan is a Switzerland without the roads, the size of Texas. It can absorb a hundred "A-Team" size units without noticing.

Intelligence is all, troops on the ground won't mean much. The place is too big and too rough.

147 posted on 09/26/2001 10:47:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: MadIvan
Bump to WIN!
148 posted on 09/26/2001 10:49:56 AM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: MadIvan
Bump to WIN!
149 posted on 09/26/2001 10:49:59 AM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks for your info in # 17 and all. Looks like iraq to me.

What are you sailing? Had a Columbia 22 at Long Beach till a couple years ago. Made catalina is, san clemente and santa barbara is. single handed catalina.

150 posted on 09/26/2001 10:55:15 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Nate505
You might enjoy reading "The Gurkhas" by Byron Farwell, published by W.W.Norton ISBN number 0-393-30714-X.

FRegards,

151 posted on 09/26/2001 11:30:04 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: MadIvan
Recognising the delicacy of Gen Musharraf's position, Mr Bush did not call on Pakistan to follow Saudi Arabia's lead and instructed his officials to moderate previous talk about overthrowing the Taliban.

Every day George W Bush manages to impress me. The Man has both brains and class, in one very level headed person.

Thanks again MadIvan, These articles have been the best.

152 posted on 09/26/2001 11:38:21 AM PDT by morque2001
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
I have seen that statement more times in the last two weeks than I care to remember. Revenge for the wrongs committed is secondary. Our primary purpose must be to deter further attacks. Unfortunately, in psychological terms we have already failed at deterrance. Immediacy was imperative, you know, "stimulus-response." The window is long gone.

Immediacy was not imperative, immediacy would have been looked at as striking out blindly. The way we are doing it now is the best as far as Psyops. The Taliban is looking over thier shoulders and over thier heads all the time, Ossama is on the run and will keep running. The fundamentalists are freaked out. They have poked a beehive and haven't seen the bees yet, this has them confused, and makes them do dumb things, such as burning empty embassies, such as Iran doing a 180 and now being against us.

This has given our enemies time to freak out, and show thier true colors. Stress will make them weak and stupid, and we will take advantage. When they finally decide it's safe to sleep again, the bees will be there to exact revenge, and instill justice!!!

And they will be destroyed with minimum effort!!
153 posted on 09/26/2001 11:59:41 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Travis McGee
Sending the Green Berets hiking up and down the Hindu Kush looking for Osama will just be "hunting deer with a brass band".
That would explain why I keep humming “the hills are alive with the sound of music!” over and over.

patent  +AMDG

154 posted on 09/26/2001 12:20:21 PM PDT by patent
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To: CatoRenasci
Uh-oh. Now you've said it in the clear. Bad Cato, bad. Not PC at all y'know. tsk, tsk....;-)
155 posted on 09/26/2001 12:24:41 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: MadIvan

156 posted on 09/26/2001 12:27:36 PM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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To: MadIvan
Bump!
157 posted on 09/26/2001 12:30:11 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Ymani Cricket
All players seem to be getting into position.I don't think the murdering terrorist will know what hit them til its too late.
158 posted on 09/26/2001 12:35:43 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
I disagree with you. I think that the pyschological aspects of this will start to play on the minds of our enemies once things are ready to roll. We can't go off half cocked here. We need a structured response, not just one where we go in and starting blindly swinging away.
159 posted on 09/26/2001 12:39:30 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, I like your thinking.

I was discussing this with an associate the other day, re, .22 LR or subsonic 9mm, either with silencer, applied liberally in the world theater. He brought up the occasional mistaken identity. I brought up the excessive collateral damage when massive power is used on a grand scale, and assured him that I prefer the reduction in collateral kills over the escalation in collateral kills. It is time. Wir sind zu wenige, wir sind soviele. LET'S ROLL ... with stealth and ruthlessness to our enemies!

160 posted on 09/26/2001 12:40:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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