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They Have No Idea Why They're Hated THREAD TWO
The Guardian ^ | 13 September 2001 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 09/24/2001 2:59:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill

Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers in New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most Americans simply don't get it. From the president to passersby on the streets, the message seems to be the same: this is an inexplicable assault on freedom and democracy, which must be answered with overwhelming force - just as soon as someone can construct a credible account of who was actually responsible.

Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty. But any glimmer of recognition of why people might have been driven to carry out such atrocities, sacrificing their own lives in the process - or why the United States is hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab and Muslim countries, but across the developing world - seems almost entirely absent. Perhaps it is too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull firefighters from the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection between what has been visited upon them and what their government has visited upon large parts of the world.

But make that connection they must, if such tragedies are not to be repeated, potentially with even more devastating consequences. US political leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular ignorance with self-referential rhetoric. And the echoing chorus of Tony Blair, whose determination to bind Britain ever closer to US foreign policy ratchets up the threat to our own cities, will only fuel anti-western sentiment. So will calls for the defence of "civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel Huntington's poisonous theories of post-cold war confrontation between the west and Islam, heightening perceptions of racism and hypocrisy.

As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since George Bush's father inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.

If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal insisted, the east coast carnage was the fruit of the Clinton administration's Munich-like appeasement of the Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US Republicans imagine to be a Churchillian response.

It is this record of unabashed national egotism and arrogance that drives anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population, for whom there is little democracy in the current distribution of global wealth and power. If it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a dragons' teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.

It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.

But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban now protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US subsequently forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the brink of starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees fan out across the world.

All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching the debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil - as must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday, or even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow of the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday.

Already, the Bush administration is assembling an international coalition for an Israeli-style war against terrorism, as if such counter-productive acts of outrage had an existence separate from the social conditions out of which they arise. But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed.


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Reposted as THREAD TWO by request - I didn't write this piece of drek!
1 posted on 09/24/2001 2:59:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
LINK TO THREAD ONE
2 posted on 09/24/2001 3:02:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers in New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most Americans simply don't get it.

Someone needs to tell this hack that possibly, just perhaps, maybe, We are tired of hearing it and SOME of us no longer give a Flying Frisbee (And you know exactly what I am saying..) about "Understanding" "Why"...psychobabblecrystalhealingtouchyfeely.

As I stated on another post, I have NO INTEREST in "Understanding" cockroaches in the kitchen.

That is why there are exterminators.

Up to September 11th I cared what people thought, even tabloid hacks.

Now they can just get out of the way, FO, ESAD,and GFTS!

3 posted on 09/24/2001 3:07:58 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon
exterminators

Assassins.I vote pretty blond ones. We need more women to learn Arabic.These guy's love American women.The meaner the better.

4 posted on 09/24/2001 3:26:22 PM PDT by karebare
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To: Billthedrill
Whoever was top dog would come in for the envy and disrespect treatment such as we get from Europeans, but the acts of terrorism are different. It is both our top dog status AND our permissive culture that has revolted the Islamic fundamentalists. If we were only one or the other it wouldn't matter, but that we not only have a permissive culture but also the power that makes that culture pervasive around the world, making inroads into the sanctity of their male dominated, religiously intolerant culture.
It is not America's support for Israel nor America's thirst for their oil that upsets them half as much as feminism and sexual permissiveness....in short, liberalism and Hollywood.
Now we patriots who don't like liberalism and Hollywood have to support sending our servicemen and women out to die in order to make the world safe for liberalism and Hollywood. What irony.
5 posted on 09/24/2001 3:31:47 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Billthedrill
"for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - "

I don't think so. These groups are personality driven. If the leader is killed the group dissolves.

Any potential new leader would start his new group regardless of whether we had rooted out existing groups or not.

Plus, these groups can't operate effectively internationally without state support.

6 posted on 09/24/2001 3:38:40 PM PDT by bayourod
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I can't say I wouldn't like to see some new canyons created.Because I do feel very violent,because of this attack.But after OKC, vengance went wrong ,as it has now with innocent people being killed in the US. One man was killed in New Mexico,a couple of days ago.

I know everyone killed in last weeks attack was innocent.

I just want to get the right ones.

7 posted on 09/24/2001 3:40:11 PM PDT by karebare
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To: Billthedrill
Who wrote this piece of sh*t? No byline. Nauseatingly bad hand-wringing (this is writing?), sweeping generalizations, glaring absence of evidence or citations. Jeez, anybody can get a job writing for the liberal press.
8 posted on 09/24/2001 3:41:19 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: Billthedrill
OMG I'm so sorry.I didn't realize your name would be on it as the author.If there is any way I could ever repay you (besides suicide)just let me know,cause I owe you.This is awful.
9 posted on 09/24/2001 3:45:18 PM PDT by karebare
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OMG I'm so sorry.I didn't realize your name would be on it as the author.If there is any way I could ever repay you (besides suicide)just let me know,cause I owe you.This is awful.
10 posted on 09/24/2001 3:45:24 PM PDT by karebare
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To: karebare
The author of this garbage is Seumas Milne, NOT Billthedrill.
11 posted on 09/24/2001 3:47:13 PM PDT by dighton
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To: karebare
BWAHAHAAHAHA!! I shall have my revenge...

I'm emailing you a Janet Reno virus...it doesn't do anything to the computer but you'll never want to look in the mirror again...

12 posted on 09/24/2001 3:48:42 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: steenkeenbadges
Who wrote this piece of sh*t?

Some feller named Seumas Milne - I've seen his stuff in the Guardian before. Leftism so lockstep it's cant, but you can say that about the entire rag. Check thread one for details - if I've left 'em off here, it's my bust...

13 posted on 09/24/2001 3:50:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
You know..........oh why bother...............(barf)
14 posted on 09/24/2001 3:52:05 PM PDT by madison46
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To: Billthedrill
Ok...next war the Germans get to keep the French,and Britain's Labour Party.
15 posted on 09/24/2001 3:55:14 PM PDT by Keith
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To: Billthedrill
Well,without the influence of Russia,the US or Britain,ie.the west all these ragheads would come up with is not a democracy but their own medievil theocracies or dictatorships.After all these years have the Palestinians been able to create anything that even has a semblence of democracy?Nobody is stopping them from making some sort of parliament and electing a leader once in awhile.Even in an undeclared country you can have a government "in exile" or a provisional government.Where the Afghanis able to do it once the West was gone?NO.Did Egypt ever have a tradition of anything but top down dictators?NO.Not even Turkey,which is the closest to Europe has managed a real democracy,and now that the jihadists are pounding at the door I doubt they will ever be.
16 posted on 09/24/2001 3:56:08 PM PDT by alithia
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To: Billthedrill
THE GUARDIAN - LEFTWING SWILL.
17 posted on 09/24/2001 3:56:53 PM PDT by veronica
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"...maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes..."

All I need to know about the author is contained in this phrase. Um, let's see, it's the EMBARGO that's murderous, not Saddam. So gassing your own people is recalcitrant, but refusing commerce with the gasser is murderous. Makes sense to me. NOW I understand why they hate us.

18 posted on 09/24/2001 3:57:44 PM PDT by xlib
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To: Billthedrill
As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western civilisation, it would be a good idea.

That Gandhi. What a cut-up. Such the witty guru. If the author of this piece and the reincarnated Gandhi (wherever he is) think Western Civilization is so bad, why don't they try living in the Africa that the West abandoned? It has, to a large extent, devolved into the barbaric Dark Continent of Joseph Conrad's books -- or worse.

Don't you just love all the haughty talk of Euro-leftists about uneven distribution of wealth and power. Such essays are just dripping with envy. In their version of Utopia, the U.S. would forfeit its wealth and military might to the U.N. Only there, under the guidance of European bureaucrats, would world peace and stability be achieved.

Then, as P.J. O'Rourke once wrote, Europe would finally be happy. It would have achieved its central-planning utopia -- "a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces, and Italian efficiency experts.”

And without the power of the United States to protect it, this wonderland would be run through and destroyed by those forces in the Muslim world who see all non-believers and infidels in need of extermination.

I guess the eternal ingratitude of the elite Left is one of the annoying prices we must pay for our freedom -- and theirs. What dopes.

19 posted on 09/24/2001 4:03:42 PM PDT by seamus
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To: karebare
Where do I sign up???!!!! I was born a blonde a few (?) years ago. Couldn't say I'm pretty, but I'd dearly love to slit the responsible raghead's throat. And start me with ten like thinking, stouthearted American women, and I'll soon bring you ten thousand terrorists' demise. Freedom loving ladies don't go for that fundamentaslist crap.
20 posted on 09/24/2001 4:06:25 PM PDT by frodolives
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