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Should be interesting. I plan on taping it tonight at least, if I cannot catch it. Tonight's episode is on Darwin's original idea, and the basics of evolution. If you are interested at all in evolution, you should be watching this.
1 posted on 09/24/2001 1:12:24 PM PDT by ThinkPlease
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2 posted on 09/24/2001 1:14:21 PM PDT by ThinkPlease
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To: ThinkPlease
Good idea for a series of threads.

Here's a review of the series from the Seattle Weekly:

Published September 20 - 26, 2001

Making sense of life

BY ROGER DOWNEY

NEXT MONDAY, Sept. 24, the Public Broadcasting System "pops out" its new season with a four-night, seven-part documentary called Evolution. Both PBS and the makers of the film, Paul Allen's Blue Sky Productions, had every reason to expect the show to attract a lot of attention, favorable and otherwise.

It's hard, now, to know what people will feel like watching two weeks after the events of Sept. 11. Maybe eight hours' cautious exposition of the mechanisms governing the elaboration of living things through time will seem irrelevant. Just as possibly, people looking for some way of making sense of their world will be drawn to a thorough airing of the central philosophico-scientific issue of our time.

The most memorable PBS documentaries--Clark's Civilization, Bronowski's Ascent of Man, Sagan's Cosmos--have been author driven, with every word, image, and idea reflecting a single shaping mind. Evolution doesn't have that kind of focus: A committee of eminent scientists was asked to determine its agenda, and different writers, directors, and producers were hired to create episodes illustrating the themes selected. Of the three episodes I saw in advance of broadcast, the first and most ambitious is also the weakest: Shot in period-Masterpiece Theatre style, it's a earnest Darwin biopic (lumbered with sub-Cliffs Notes dialogue) interrupted erratically by eminent Darwinians of our own day (most prominent among them Harvard's Stephen Jay Gould, who'll be lecturing in Seattle on Oct. 2, the gods and the FAA willing).

Five of the remaining episodes hew closely to answering a single big question posed and answered by evolutionary science: How does evolution "work"? What role has extinction played in the history of life? What role does competition between organisms play in the process? If evolution is a mindless, random process, where the hell did mind come from?

To judge by the evidence of episode five, these more focused segments work better, both as instruction and entertainment. "Why Sex?" adopts a jokey but, on the whole, sensible and down-to-earth tone in explaining what evolutionary thinking has taught us about why sex exists at all, how it's shaped the history of life on earth, and why men and women see the world differently.

Only in its final hour does the series confront the issue which led to its making in the first place. "What About God?" attempts a sympathetic overview of all the diverse voices asking that question: "creationists"; partisans of "creation science," like Seattle Discovery Institute; and serious scientists who find no conflict between their work and their religious views.

But, as might be expected from a committee-devised treatment of a hot-button issue, the episode lacks bite, concluding (in the words of the series' promotional summary) "that science and religion are compatible, although they play very different roles in assigning order to the universe and a purpose to life." This bland formulation may have some truth to it, but not enough. It ignores the deep, if out-of-fashion, idea espoused by thinkers as different as Marx, Freud, and Shelley that belief in God is a central impediment to human progress. It also ignores those whose confidence that they have a hot line to the Almighty, from the 700 Club's Pat Robertson to the suicide pilots of the jihad, licenses them to cast out of the human community anyone who does not bow to the idols of their particular tribe.

The wishy-washy, why-can't-everybody-just-get-along formulation concluding Evolution obscures the most important concept in the series as a whole: Science, as a human activity, may be neutral when it comes to questions like "Is there a God?" or "What is the meaning of the universe?" It is not neutral on the subject of belief. On the contrary, belief--"the evidence of things not seen," as St. Paul defines it--is the enemy of science, asserting a higher claim to truth than the evidence of one's own eyes as confirmed by the eyes of others.

The national atmosphere right now is so hazy with sanctimony that one has to be grateful for any effort to address reality with candor, and this Evolution does. The attendant education initiative, centered on providing teaching materials based on the series and the book to secondary-school science classes, may, in time, have a deep and lasting influence on the way Americans think about their world. But it will face militant resistance. If they're going to win their argument with the forces of blind faith--if they're even going to hold their own--the apologists of science are going to have to stop apologizing and start fighting.  

Additional information:
Nina Shapiro's Seattle Weekly article on the Discovery Institute¹s patronage of UW astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0116/news-shapiro.shtml

For the conservative Christians funding the Discovery Institute's Intelligent Design campaign, see Los Angeles Times religion reporter Teresa Watanabe's "Enlisting Science to Find the Fingerprints of a Creator," published March 25, 2001. This article is available free at the Discovery Institute's own website,
http://www.discovery.org/news/EnlistingScience.html

For more on Clear Blue Sky Productions and Evolution,
http://www.clearblueskyfilms.com/

rdowney@seattleweekly.com


Evolution airs nightly at 8 p.m. Mon.-Thurs., Sept. 24-27 on KCTS 9 Seattle. Evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould addresses Seattle Arts and Lectures at Benaroya Hall, 7:30 p.m. Tues., Oct. 2. $18-$15. 621-2230.


7 posted on 09/24/2001 1:28:59 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: ThinkPlease, crevo_list
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9 posted on 09/24/2001 1:49:09 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: ThinkPlease
Thank you for the reminder. Will tape.

It will be a pleasure to have something else to talk about on FR.

10 posted on 09/24/2001 1:58:45 PM PDT by Physicist (sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
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To: ThinkPlease
Sounds like an interesting, thought-provoking series to me. Will there be gazongas in it?
18 posted on 09/24/2001 2:32:18 PM PDT by strela
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To: ThinkPlease
A friend and I were walking on the beach one day and came upon an intricate sand castle. He said "Wow, look at that sand castle! Someone really put some time and effort into that!" I said (sarcastically) "Someone??? What do you mean someone? I don't see anyone else here? It must have been created by the 'natural' motion of the waves and wind interacting with the sand." He said "Are you nuts??? This is no 'accident'! It is obviously of intelligent design!" I insisted "But we saw no one! We have NO PROOF that someone did it; therefore, we MUST ASSUME as FACT that it 'just happened'; otherwise, we're making a 'leap of faith'. He then said "Oh, puh-lease, it takes much more 'faith' to believe that it occurred by accident than by the hands of an intelligent being!" I said "Really? What is of more complex design? This sand castle or the universe???" He replied "Well, DUH, obviously the universe!", to which I rendered him speechless with the following: "You are exactly right. If it is impossible for this sand castle to have happened by accident, how much more impossible is it that mankind and the universe is an accident? Isn't it an ABSURD leap of faith to assume that we are all here and the universe exists by 'natural selection'???" A little something for the evolutionists to ponder.
32 posted on 09/24/2001 3:03:44 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (GLDNGUN@PeoplePC.com)
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To: ThinkPlease
I followed your link to the Discovery Institute. I thought that their critiques of the Evolution series were interesting. Comments, anyone?

Also, does anyone want to place a bet on how soon someone will post the famous list of links of CrEv debate material?

But I'm probably not going to hang around this topic too much unless the news from Afghanistan slows down. That's okay, because none of you will miss one more voice SHOUTING in the squabble. Besides, it's not as if I have some evidence that everyone else has somehow overlooked...

34 posted on 09/24/2001 3:04:28 PM PDT by Kyrie
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To: ThinkPlease
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24640 PBS's 'Evolution' series is propaganda, not science
40 posted on 09/24/2001 4:13:50 PM PDT by Carol Roberts
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To: ThinkPlease
Thanks for the bump! :)
48 posted on 09/24/2001 6:57:34 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: ThinkPlease

"Evolution: A Series on PBS tonight"

Fitting that a series on evolution should be run on state-sponsored television, otherwise known as the network whose initials stand for Pure B.S.

Fitting, indeed.

54 posted on 09/24/2001 8:24:03 PM PDT by Stingray
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Getting the facts straight: A viewer's guide to PBS's Evolution:

http://www.reviewevolution.org/getOurGuide.php

Here's a thorough criticism of the series in PDF form from the Discovery Institute. You can download the long PDF file and then read the Executive Summary to get the gist of it.

Here are the main criticisms of the series:

A) Its failure to present accurately and fairly the scientific problems with the evidence for Darwinian evolution.

B) Its systematic omission of disagreements among evolutionary biologists themselves about central claims in the series, and its complete failure to report the views of scientists who dispute Darwinism at its roots.

C) Its excessive biased focus on religion, despite its insistence to be about science rather than "the religious realm."

D) Its inappropriate use by PBS, a government-funded agency, to organize and promote a controversial political action agenda.

71 posted on 09/25/2001 4:38:18 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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"when you have eliminated the impossible whatever remains, however improbable , must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes in _The Hound Of The Baskervilles_

1. an assumption of impossibility is made 2. What is left *must* be the truth, however impossible.

Neither Creationism nor Evolutionism is less probable or more provable. Both are matters of faith, in the end. Because evolutionists also come down to the point where they cannot explain something crucial to the argument, just as Creationists do.

The question then becomes, why does one person make the assumption that there *is* a personal creator, and the other person does not? What is the motivation behind the decision?

84 posted on 09/25/2001 7:29:25 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: ThinkPlease
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [7th Revision]
112 posted on 09/25/2001 3:16:18 PM PDT by Junior
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To: ThinkPlease
Let's see if the evolutionists on these threads learn anything from this series. Perhaps they will be able to come up with some proofs for their positions for a change.
129 posted on 09/25/2001 7:49:41 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: ThinkPlease
Just a few thoughts before turning in... I believe God inspired the sacred writers of the Bible for the purpose of revealing Himself and His plan for salvation.

However, although everything in the Bible is inspired, not all is revealed. As I study the Bible, I try to understand the context in which it was written, as well as the type of literary form used (allegory, parable, oration, etc).

I believe the Hebrew authors, while divinely inspired, were free to choose their literary forms to convey God's message of revelation and salvation. The forms were certainly conditioned by their time and culture. The story of the origins of the earth and primeval man were expressed in terms designed to reveal to the people of that time the majesty of God's creation, not as a scientific textbook.

I believe that God's gave man a wonderful gift of intellect, but it is necessarily limited. After all, He is God, and man is not. Man will always use that intellect to try to learn more and more about the origins of life, and I am as curious as the next person.

However, I believe that perfect understanding will only come when I am at one with God after my time here on earth. In the meantime, faith is needed, and freely given upon request, for me to be entirely comfortable with the belief that that there can be no contradiction between truth and God.

Although I enjoyed the PBS show this evening, I do wish that the producers of the show would have, at least once, said that all they showed is a hypothesis, not proven fact.

171 posted on 09/25/2001 9:17:39 PM PDT by CSW
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To: ThinkPlease

Some useful references:

Talk.origins/Sci.Bio.Evolution Realities

(because most of the evoglop links typically posted on such discussions originate with talk.origins...)

Major Scientific Problems with Evolution

Many Experts Quoted on FUBAR State of Evolution

(Steve Jackson's Web Site)

Social Darwinism, Naziism, Communism, Darwinism Roots etc.

Creation and Intelligent Design Links

Catastrophism

Intelligent Versions of Biogenesis etc.


194 posted on 09/25/2001 9:57:35 PM PDT by medved
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O.K. Here's my evolution question. Imagine that first human who evoled from the next lower life form. Who does he mate with to get the human species going? Also, did all humans descend from this first human? If not, did several humans suddenly evolve from different primate families within the same generation so that they could mate with each other? If so, was that too a random event?

If the first human was truly the only human, would he have mated with his ancestor? Could that happen if they were no longer the same species? If this first human could sucessfully mate with only primates, and his offspring could only mate with primates, and their offspring could only mate with primates- how did they become human? Please advise. I'm confused.

311 posted on 09/27/2001 8:03:04 PM PDT by keats5
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