Unfree Republic

Lew Rockwell ^ | 9/24/01 | Jeff Elkins

[Ada Coddington]

Why not? Would you have rather fought the Germans here?

The Germans weren't interested in taking us on.

[_Jim]

In order to love our country, our country must first be lovely. Sometimes it is not.

I think you've lost perspective.

Obviously you're one who has an inablity to separate 'the ideal' from 'reality'.

Anyone like yourself who wants heaven on earth is going to be sorely disapointed.

The most we can offer you on this earth and in this country is an unprecedented and never before tried approach in the history of homo sapiens -

- the rule of law versus the simple edict by a king whose whims could change on a daily or hourly basis.

These laws by which we live are penned by set of representatives elected by the people - and your 'rights' are protected against any one-man's vindictiveness for a crime you might commit as you are tried by jury of your peers.

If *you* can cite a more perfect system for the governship over man - we're all ears, dear ...

[Storm Orphan]

It's a warning to beware the tendency to seek strong centralized power in time of crisis and war.

[Twodees]

Yes, I know how that originated with the Marxists. My point is that both parties accept it without question now. The opinion I stated, that most US politicians try to portray themselves as being in the middle on that scale drawn by the Marxists is exactly how they appear to be acting from my POV.

The old right is now called 'paleo-conservatism'. Once the terms used to describe a school of thought have been co-opted they're never regained. 'Liberal' once meant the school of thought dedicated to the preservation of personal liberty through the rule of law and by strict personal responsibility. Now it means National Socialism.

Law and order once meant strict adherence to Constitutional bounds for federal legislation, executive action and jurisprudence. Now it means strict enforcement of the most bizarre and niggling laws imaginable, just because those laws are in effect.

Political conservatism once meant preservation of the form of government established within the articles of the Constitution, with strong resistance to amdendments. Now it means FDR socialism, Clay's mercantilist American System and the trappings of the Roman Empire muddled together in a stew.

Forgive the diatribe. I've been thinking too much lately and my temper has mellowed to the point that I don't recognize myself. ;-)

[Twodees]

Pardon my mistake boys. My #424 was meant for Aurelius. My eyes ain't what they once was, and my mind's a'slippin too.

[Storm Orphan]

That's okay. I recognize you. ;^)

[Deb]

Hey, idiot, take your bullshit to the new thread you're giving people a nose bleed.

[CWOJackson]

"What have you been doing?"

Besides watching "your" "us folks" getting banned?

[CWOJackson]

"fyi cwo I've got 20 years in this mans navy and still serving and I can find no reason to buy the gubment line we need to surrender personal freedoms because of the WOT"

Okay, next time you're at quarters announced to everyone that what Congress is trying to do is unConstitutional and that everyone needs to stop them.

You can't and you won't. Why? Because the day you joined the navy you voluntarily gave up many personal freedoms that civilians enjoy. And if you exercised your free speech and said something like that you would be in one heck of a world of hurt.

Hell, you even carry a National ID card. You haven't even got the rights many felons do in many states.

You bought into the government line 20 years ago and you're still in.

[DAnconia55]

Ah. Government worship must be an easy faith to have.

Spooner was moral. Freeing slaves, even by murder was moral.
You however, are not.

[Roscoe]

Murder, kidnapping and looting is moral? Osama could use you as a press agent.

[IRtorqued]

the people I work with come to me to find out what barbarous act of shadyism our gubment is currently pulling. that includes the commander to the newest seaman. and I will admit you are correct in stating that felons have more rights then we in the military. to you and yours the best.

[Snow Bunny]

.....""Freelance consultant and writer". I think that means "living in Mom's house and unemployed"."...

GOOD ONE !!!!! I agree.

[knarf]

"DISRUPTOR.
IF a disruptor is someone who supports the troops in a time of war, then I am a disruptor.
If a disruptor is someone who abhors the abuses by the far left and far right equally, then I am a disruptor.
If a disruptor is someone who believes patriotic loyality to one's nation is more important than my petty political agenda at a time of war, then I am a disruptor.
If a disruptor is someone who hates the enemies of this nation because he or she understands that the stakes this time are the highest ever in our history, then I am a disruptor.
IF a disruptor is one who is willing to give his life to defend the Bill of Rights and Constitution, then I am a disruptor."

All of those are attributes of a patriot, a dispuptor opens his or her mouth and spews forth maniacal ravings with the intent of fomenting a fight that isn't needed nor necessary.

[Aurelius]

"Murder, kidnapping and looting is moral?"

Was it moral when Sherman did it on his famous "march to the sea"? Actually, I don't know whether he and his men could be accused of kidnapping or not; they certainly were guilty of murder and looting, and with the approval of Abraham "with malice toward none, with charity for all" Lincoln.

[CWOJackson]

This is why I'm not too concerned about these latest measures. From what I've seen and read, the actual losses in personal freedom that citizens will face are far less then those imposed on our military all the time. This isn't going to enslave them. Look at it this way, that's their contribution to their own defense and it's a small contribution in comparison.

We both understand how things work ashore and aboard ship. We all have very firm opinions and thoughts, but there are clear reasons why we don't stand out on the fantail and demand to know what that moron Clinton was doing. We do it quietly on the mess deck, in the Chief's mess and in the wardroom.

And even when we're confronted with missions that are going to be crappy and we'd rather be doing somethings else, we close ranks and get the job done. This time, our civilian friends are being challenged to be a part of those ranks.

Fair winds and a following sea.

[NoCurrentFreeperByThatName]

I say that I still like some of the writers on there.

I actually like alot of this guy's stuff to. This particular article is pure BS though.

I wonder how much of FR these guys read. Do they post or just lurk? I'd be interested to know.

[NoCurrentFreeperByThatName]

BUMP for your # 24.

What happened to arator?

[CWOJackson]

Brilliant! Great comment.