The World Will Never Again Be As It Was 9/10/2001; It Can Be Better

Self ^ | 9/23/2001 | Marvin Galloway

[dalebert]

No, the world will never be the same. Clinton just made Grand entrance through dug out at Yankee Stadium.

[jjbrouwer]

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[MeekOneGOP]

The war America has been thrust into is a religious war, at least to the terrorists, and it surely threatens civilization as we know it.

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This war brought to us by these Islamists is what they call a Jihad, , or Holy War, correct?

[MHGinTN]

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[MHGinTN]

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[MeekOneGOP]

Excellent post, BTW! Many thanks!

[MHGinTN]

To the Islamismists it is holy; to us, to men like Iron Jack, it's just murder in the name of holy war. Islamism seeks to force every living human to bow to Allah and Mohammed as his prophet.

[MeekOneGOP]

Excellent Analysis Bump!

[MeekOneGOP]

Excellent Analysis Bump!

[backhoe]

Excellent piece, Marvin- keep 'em coming!

[r9etb]

The true end to Islamism can only come from the Moslem world rejecting this radicalism that disrupts and destroys through terror and intimidation. To achieve that change of Moslem minds will require addressing the issues held by the greater Moslem community, addressing these issues in a peaceful coherency that generates confidence in co-existence rather than suspicion in factionalism … but first, we must accept that we are at war not at peace.

Yes. To use the New Testament phrase, it's like pruning the native stock from the olive tree. The question is: how? How does this gentler Islam get a firm grip?

I can think of a couple of ways. First, create something like "Radio Free Islam." Offer TV and radio broadcast facilities to moderate Islamic clerics, to strengthen their message.

Second, we have to identify and address some of the conditions which drive people toward the Islamists. I've seen plenty of hooting by FReepers, directed toward those who mention "root causes," but there's something going on that drives folks to become martyrs. What is it, and is there something we can do to control it?

Along those lines, I'd point to the Palestinian refugee camps. Palestinians have been living in those camps since 1948(!!) in often squalid conditions. The fact of the camps' continued existence is mostly the fault of Arab governments, and of the PLO, and from such camps come men, steeped in hatred, who are willing to die for the cause.

Similar stories are available throughout the Moslem countries, which suggests that the problem has to do with the tendency of Moslem governments are often religious and secular (I believe the word is Shariah?). Thus, one starting place would be to foster -- evangelize is perhaps the right word -- the sort of explicitly secular movement that made Turkey a basically hospitable country.

[FReethesheeples]

YES!

We can help make it BETTER!

[Victoria Delsoul]

Islamism views the co-existence of many religions as heresy to traditions of Mohammed, asserting that compliance with the tenets must be forced if an individual doesn't obey in free will. With this perspective, the very presence of non-Islamic peoples living and working in certain parts of the world is seen as a threat to Islamismists. Let us also note that those Moslems practicing their faith in a less than fundamental (as defined by the Islamismists) way are also seen as a threat, by the radicals; history records that tens-of-thousands of Moslems have been slaughtered across Northern Africa, the Middle East, Asia and Eurasia because of this clash between Islam and Islamism.

Excellent essay, Marvin. Thanks so much.

[Josiah6]

With this world war, we truly have an opportunity to make world-wide changes that benefit all humankind who wish peaceful co-existence, lifting peoples and societies out of poverty and into a world community that values responsibility and self-reliance, that rewards peaceful co-existence and diligence with security, self-worth and fulfillment. But we must annihilate the enemy of those values, first! We must face down this new totalitarian threat with an eye to ending the enmities that give rise to such fanaticism.

The current plague of radical Islam must be wiped off the face of the earth.

My long term concern which is one based on the resulting end of the last war of this type (W.W.II) is what will be the end result?

What type of government system fills the vacuum that we will create when these types of regimes are toppled?

Most of all the people who are subjugated by these people in their heart hate us and democracy

What will be the financial cost of a new type of Marshall plan?

There seems to be thought process going on that says, wipe them out and replace with them with democratic governments. Do these people want a open and free government, I sometimes wonder.

I really wonder when all the chips fall, will they fall the way we want them

In fact the process is in motion, may God give us light to see the end.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Islamism views the co-existence of many religions as heresy to traditions of Mohammed, asserting that compliance with the tenets must be forced if an individual doesn’t obey in free will.

Their "faith" seems like one big excuse to be bad. They can dress it up, make it sound legitimate, but the radical Muslim (Moslem?Muslem?) terrorists are just plain evil - spoiled, rotten, brats obtaining "power" through inhuman violence, theft and through every other vice and corruption, IMHO.

If the leaders are removed and the communications links between the cells can be disrupted, perhaps some of these folks can be de-programmed because it sure sounds cult-like in its repetitive messages, submission to human representatives, strict discipline. Love your enemies? Maybe, one day.

[carenot]

Thank you, Marvin.

Great writing.

[MHGinTN]

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[peter the great]

," but there's something going on that drives folks to become martyrs. What is it, and is there something we can do to control it?" You are on the right track or you are getting warm. Perhaps one way we can all diffuse this threat would be for us all to learn our faith whatever that may be, always seeking the truth and at the same time learning a little bit about the other world religions and why they should be rejected. For the sake of argument if you put the beliefs of these idiots under the microscope they cannot stand the test of truth and what is truly frightening is our countries experience in Vietnam and all the socialists we now have in Congress and other places. Certain groups of people have had to deal with this reality for generations and have dealt with it successfully we should be looking at that, Scripture most notably Revelations 18 gives us a little hint as to why some bad things happen. The bottom line is that we all need to do our little part to prevent anthing like this from ever happening again.

[MHGinTN]

Islam is a religion that touts works as a means to enter heaven and gain heavenly rewards. Contrast that with the message of Grace, the gift of salvation in Christ which is followed by good works as evidence that the heart has been changed by the working of the Ancient of Days rather than the adherent. Can you imagine someone thinking they will be owed a place in heaven for killing a thousand Moslems? It's absurd! But that is the perspective from which these fanatics view heaven and earth, God and man; they believe they can do things that will record on a balance sheet such that Allah will owe them; they believe they are more powerful than God because they can manipulate Allah to owe them something. This insidious attitude first reared its ugly pig-snout of self-aggrandizement in the garden, with the subtle persuasion that they would be as God, knowing good and evil.