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Auburn University professors decry rhetoric
Montgomery (AL) Advertiser ^ | September 21, 2001 | Alvin Benn

Posted on 09/22/2001 5:56:59 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:12:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: MeeknMing
I would ask him if he has published anything since 1998, and whether any of his articles have appeared in a reputable, reviewed scientific journal. Since his main area of interest is sex, perhaps he should confine his comments to those subjects that are within the scope of his expertise.

Terre,L. & Burkhart, B.R. (1995). Problem sexual behaviors in adolescence. Adolescent dysfunctional behaviors: Causes, intervention, and prevention. Newbury Park: Sage Publishers
Burkhart, B.R. & Fromuth, M.E. (1996). Psychotherapy for victims of acquaintance rape. In T. Jackson (Ed.). A menal health professional's guide
to dealing with acquaintance rape. Professional Resource Exchange Press: Sarasota, FL.
Alata, C.A. & Burkhart, B.R. (1996).Post-traumatic stress disorder among college student acquaintance assualt victims. The Journal of Psychology and Human Sexuality, 8, 79-92.
Alata, C.A. & Burkhart, B.R. (1996).Post-traumatic stress disorder among college student acquaintance assualt victims. In E.S. Byers & L.F.
O'Sullivan (Eds). Sexual Coercion in Dating Relationships. Haworth Press: Binghamton, NY.
Alata, C.A. & Burkhart, B.R. (1998). Coping appraisals and adjustment to non-stranger sexual assault. Violence against women: An international journal, 4 (2), 224-239.

81 posted on 09/24/2001 6:05:34 PM PDT by Orual
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To: MeeknMing
No, we don't want to talk. we know what you said and we know what you meant. We do, however, want you to shut up!

Out of context my a$$.

82 posted on 09/24/2001 6:07:10 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!, AmericanDave, Orual, Sir_Humphrey, Snow Bunny, susangirl, Dighton, ALL
Here is my reply to this wiseguy professor:

Dear Professor Burkhart:

I received your reply this week to my article I sent you over the weekend. Since I live in the Dallas, Texas area, I regret that I will not be able to accept your invitation to drop by to see you. I appreciate your reply and your invitation, however. In case you need a refresher on the article, here is the title and the link to it:

[I gave him the link back to this article]

It appears to me that you and I are on different sides of the issue. My personal opinion is that our country MUST defend itself against the perpetrators of the terrible attack on September 11th. You said in the article above that we might be making a mistake calling it a war. I disagree. We would be making a mistake by NOT taking action, which would send the wrong message to those that would want to destroy our country. I like this country and have lived other places in the world (my father was career U.S. Air Force).

Call me old fashioned if you like (I don't think there's anything wrong with that), but I support President Bush in his call to defend our country and seek out the terrorists that did their evil deed on September 11th. I also agree with his statement to the world that "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists". (I would be especially interested to know where you stand on this, Professor). Osama bin Laden's days are numbered in my opinion. He will pay the consequences for his action as he ought to.

Below, is another article that I found this morning on FreeRepublic.com. Will you please read it when you get a chance and give me your comments? I appreciate your consideration.

Thank you!

Richard Meek

Here's the Internet link to this article. Go here to see comments by registered members of FreeRepublic.com:

Peace movement blames America
FReepers: Check out this article! ! !

83 posted on 09/26/2001 10:17:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing and all area freepers
Great letter, MnM! Gotta hand it to ya, you were WAY more polite than I could have managed. Btw, have you seen these?

Anti-war march OK, raises security doubts

URGENT: D.C. CHAPTER NEEDS YOU FOR OPERATION INFINITE FREEP 9/29/01

grrrrrrr....

84 posted on 09/26/2001 11:20:33 AM PDT by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
Great letter, MnM! Gotta hand it to ya, you were WAY more polite than I could have managed. Btw, have you seen these?
I had heard about the protest, but not about the FReep counter-protest. Wish I could be there to help with that. Thanks for both of those links!

The letter: Thanks. I'm wondering if he'll reply to it this time? I was surprised he even replied the last time. I'm expecially anxious to hear if he actually supports the terrorists. I imagine that "love of country" is lost on these Ivory Tower guys?. . .DA** shame, huh? All that education and no sense!

85 posted on 09/26/2001 2:41:04 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: susangirl, Alas Babylon!, AmericanDave, Orual, Sir_Humphrey, Snow Bunny, Dighton, ALL
Susangirl & ALL:

Well, our beloved Professor sent me his reply this morning to my work e-mail. Here is the text of his reply:


From: Barry Burkhart
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2001 07:52:31
To: R. Meek
Subject: our choices

This petition is close to my way of understanding our responsibilities is responding to this criminal act. I don't want to dignify Bin Laden and his criminal accomplices by according him the status of a warrior. He is a merciless, reactionary criminal who should be brought to justice and if he resists he and his co-conspirators will be killed. However, the one billion Muslims need assurances that we do not paint them with the same brush. Moreover, life is about making distinctions, we either make with justice and compassion as or guides or hate and corruption as our guides.
Barry Burkhart


[Here’s the letter]:

Our colleague Jordan Peterson from U of Toronto, clinical psychologist who has reflected and written considerably about war and its mythological and neuropsychological underpinnings is circulating the following letter that he intends to forward to President Bush and Members of the US Congress. If you wish to add your name to the list of academics who support this statement, do so at the end of the letter, please send a copy to Jordan Peterson at Peterson@Psych.UToronto.CA. You could then forward the letter to colleagues.

Best wishes

Benoist


[Here’s the Petition Letter]:

Jordan B. Peterson
Department of Psychology
University of Toronto
peterson@psych.utoronto.ca
To President G.W. Bush and the Members of the U.S. Congress:

The events of the past few days have made everyone understand how vulnerable a free and open society is to mass destruction and terror. But this terrible vulnerability is part of the strength of such a society, not a hallmark of its weakness. It takes courage to allow the free movement of people and ideas. That courage is predicated on voluntary acceptance of great risk, and not upon ignorance of its likelihood.

The immediate response to such a catastrophe is anger and hatred. But the system of laws that supports the US and its allies has been designed by generations of great people to ensure that anger and hatred are never given the final word. Justice, truth, and respect for individual differences are principles whose power far outweighs the thoughtless desire for revenge. More importantly, revenge breeds revenge. It seems terribly dangerous to provide individuals motivated precisely by the desire to increase pain and suffering the luxury of the war they so much desire. Such a war turns them from rigid, totalitarian cowards to soldiers; from failures who are willing to prey upon the innocent to heroic exemplars of the fight against overwhelming external oppression.

The craven acts of terrorism perpetrated in New York and Washington are dignified intolerably by their classification as acts of war. The individuals who perpetrated these appalling events must be regarded and treated as criminals, as international pariahs, who have committed crimes against humanity, and who must be brought publicly and rationally to justice.

Our great technological power makes us increasingly vulnerable to the rigid madness of the ideologically committed and resentful. To turn against such madness with indiscriminate revenge seeking is merely to react in the same primitive and deadly manner. To risk the slaughter of innocent people in the hunt for such revenge is to absolutely ensure that constant episodes of international terror will come to be the hallmark of 21st century existence.

The entire world stands behind the US, in the hope that the commission of crimes against civilization can be exterminated. Such solidarity was absolutely unthinkable even fifteen years ago. The US therefore has an unparalleled opportunity to demonstrate its unshakeable commitment to its own principles, particularly under such conditions of extreme duress, and to provide the world with the hope that democracy and freedom can truly rise above the parochial ideological madness of the past. Such a demonstration would truly lift the American state above all past national institutions, and would continue the tradition of great spirit that allowed for the rehabilitation of Germany and Japan after the Second World War.

Perhaps the events of September 11 might therefore be regarded as the last war of the second Christian millennium, instead of the first war of the third. In consequence, we implore you to react with discrimination, to target only those truly responsible, and to avoid the cruel and thoughtless errors characterizing humanity's blind and ethnocentric past.

Please punish only the guilty, and not the innocent. Otherwise the cycle of terror that seems an ineradicable part of human existence will never come to an end.

Sincerely,


He's not siding with the terrorists. But he is, IMHO, taking the Ivory Tower view that your can try to exterminate the queen ant and her soldiers without killing some of the ants. That would be nice, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. I mean, war IS HE**, right? Comments, anyone?
86 posted on 09/27/2001 7:39:50 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
No, I mean yes, you're right. It's not about justice, it's about protection. We will only insight MORE attacks with his policies. I don't hate Islam, but I love my kids. If anyone tries to hurt them, I will kill them. It's not whether I want to or not, I will do it because it is my duty to do so.

Since these terrorists are committing these attacks against the country I live in, I can only assume they're trying to kill me and my kids, as they made no distinction between any of the thousands of people who died at their hands. The Professor needs to understand it could have just as easily been him, or his wife, or his kids, or yours, or mine, or any other Americans'; that is, ALL of us.

Kill or die is the main choice I see confronting all of us. I choose to live, and therefore my enemy must die.

87 posted on 09/27/2001 6:34:11 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: MeeknMing
It's NOT realistic at all, MnM! History has proven this over and over again. Innocents have always died, they die daily. It is not possible to respond as he suggests. Why the heck does he think these terrorists HIDE in these countries. Because they have support from them, and YES, from many of the citizens as well.

More importantly, revenge breeds revenge.

I submit that the violence will continue to an even GREATER degree if we do not respond against, not only the networks, but the governments behind them. It is not possible nor practical to do one w/o the other.

The immediate response to such a catastrophe is anger and hatred.

To turn against such madness with indiscriminate revenge seeking is merely to react in the same primitive and deadly manner.

Have I been missing something?? Has our military shot at one, even ONE, individual??

We are showing nothing but self control and discrimination. Our leaders have bent over backwards to show thier respect for Muslims, Islams...even going so far (maybe too far) as to say that Islam is a peaceful religion! We have given more time and warning than has EVER been afforded to us! The nations of the world have been warned in advance. You are either with us or against us. The same can be said for Burkhart, Benoist, Peterson, and the traitors making their plans to march on DC!

We ARE a democratic society, and people such as these better be dang glad that we are! Let them hide behind their rhetoric while other's do the adult business. They will enjoy their freedom, and spit on the hands that give their very blood for it! This, too, history has proven again and again.

Thank you, MnM.

88 posted on 09/27/2001 7:01:16 PM PDT by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl, Alas Babylon!, AmericanDave, Orual, Sir_Humphrey, Snow Bunny, Dighton, ALL
Have I been missing something?? Has our military shot at one, even ONE, individual??

We are showing nothing but self control and discrimination. Our leaders have bent over backwards to show thier respect for Muslims, Islams...even going so far (maybe too far) as to say that Islam is a peaceful religion! We have given more time and warning than has EVER been afforded to us! The nations of the world have been warned in advance. You are either with us or against us. The same can be said for Burkhart, Benoist, Peterson, and the traitors making their plans to march on DC!


No, you haven't missed anything. Burkharts remarks were based on anticipated or hypothetical EXPECTED reaction against the perpetrators/accomplices.

DUBYA President Bush is showing great discipline. The angst some folks have regarding the slow reaction to the terrorists is a factor of two things I think:

1. It takes time for the military to get over there and make preparations for the required action.

2. Intelligence must be gathered to get the information to make a GOOD decision. Where is Osama, what are their strengths and weaknesses? Who are all the players and where are they? Then - what do we do, and how do we do it to effect the most effective and efficient payoff for the U.S.?

Believe me, Bush is all over this. He's a calculating and intelligent man - DESPITE what the media would try to make you believe!

One more note. The TRUE Islam religion is legitimate and a peaceful and civilized religion. My understanding is that some of the people from that culture broke off from the true Islam religion and have BAS****IZED it for their own political means and ends. They changed it and created monsters that believe that killing innocent people is their automatic ticket to their Allah's heaven. To die for the cause gives one the automatic trip to heaven. That's what they BELIEVE! I think they get a HUGE surprise when they see that fella with horns, a pitchfork and the barbecue flames flying!

Many thanks for your thoughtful and insightful reply!

I think that Professor Burkhart lives in a different world than the real world the rest of us live in. I don't think I'd like living in an Ivory Tower personally! ;-)

89 posted on 09/28/2001 5:19:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Alas Babylon!
Dittos, AB! Thanks!
90 posted on 09/28/2001 5:22:09 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Alas Babylon!
It's WAR! "Relentlessly and Thoroughly"
91 posted on 09/28/2001 5:23:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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