Posted on 09/21/2001 7:49:05 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
Users of FreeRepublic deserve an explanation of recent moderator activities. By signing up to be a user of the forum, everyone agrees to abide by the posted guidelines. This is another look at those guidelines, the intent behind them - and some new guideline enhancements that are being incorporated that need the attention of everyone.
WHY GUIDELINES NOT RULES
Let’s begin first by hearing from Jim Robinson about the difference between guidelines and rules, and why FR has guidelines.
One thing I've always resisted on FR is having a lot of rules. Especially if they have to be strictly enforced. We've always had our general posting guidelines, but we like to leave a lot of latitude so as not to stifle debate.Guidelines, rather than hard and fast rules presupposes that the success or failure of them rests with the users of FR. If there is a breakdown, the intent of the forum is compromised. Jim puts it this way.It is our desire to keep out clearly inappropriate material, while allowing as much room as possible for debate.
We are a news and current events discussion site. We are conservatives. We are adults. The FR forum is a working forum where we are not only discussing news and issues that are important to us, but we are also planning and engaging in political activism projects. We do not appreciate being interrupted by people who want to post insults or smear attacks or personal attacks or otherwise try to disrupt our activities, etc.
WHAT WE WANT, AND DON’T WANT
We are looking for news articles, well written and well informed opinion, facts and usable information and certainly having some fun now and then while we pursue the goals of keeping our government as servant of the people - and not allowing it to make us more its servants.
In short, as the lead moderator, I don’t like having to wipe up after the children here. I don’t enjoy, nor do I or any of those who work with Jim, “want to be posting police or thought police and we also do not want to be referees or judges.” (The reason that is in quotes is because Jim said it as we talked about the focus of this post.) He also said:
Posters should strive to avoid flame-wars and feuds and/or avoid posting materials that are clearly not welcome here, and then we can all enjoy the forum much more and we will not need as much moderation.Interruption and disruption, in a nutshell, angers many - and causes them to hit the abuse button. That button has been hit far too often of late - creating a higher number of abuse complaints than ever before seen on FR, averaging some 300-500 per day (multiple complaints on between 100 to 200 articles per day.) Needless to say, many of these posts were pulled - many of them due to some of the most vicious and ridiculous flame-wars ever witnessed on FR - along with every sort of violation of posting guidelines. Unfortunately causing otherwise perfectly good articles to disappear in the process.
Such flame-wars brought John Robinson to suggest, “outright prohibiting”of them - and to say, “These types of posts detract from the FR message, people don't come here [for them.] People should have the good sense not to start these threads. Unfortunately everything needs to be spelled out in clear lettering or somebody is going to miss the point.”John is right. Personally, I enjoy what we call ‘freeping’ - reading the news, commenting on articles and keeping up with events. I don’t enjoy having to stop and handle abuse complaints, and neither does anyone who works to assist Jim in maintaining order here. That has led to the following.
DEBATE AND DISAGREEMENT - LESS TOLERANCE FOR FLAME-WARS
Disagreement is part of debate, of that there is no question. But too often debate ends with someone calling someone else stupid, or using vulgar names. Moderators review posts and abuse reports received, and keep an eye out for those posts and users that we feel cross the line into racism, profanity and personal attacks. When that happens, we have no choice but to act.
We attempt to be as flexible as we can in allowing reasoned and temperate disagreement, but you can indeed look for less tolerance now for flame-wars on FR. We have been, and will continue to pull posts that are obviously, or thoughtlessly designed to start flame-wars.
In addition to that strengthening of our intent to keep the forum less combative and focused more on our goals, there are additional clarifications and additions to posting guidelines which follow.
NEW MODERATOR PRACTICES - OLD AND NEW GUIDELINES
Because we are ‘at war’ with terrorism, you may already have seen the old WWII policy of ‘loose-lips sink ships’ stated in posts here - something Jim began here, and has recently been followed and resurrected by major media outlets.
The policy is simple. If you have information about military movement that has not been published in major media, and is not considered ‘public knowledge’ it may be inappropriate or unwise to post it on FR. In short, use the question-gauge of, ‘does this come from major media?’ If so, and if it has not already been posted before, the information will not violate the ‘loose-lips’ policy.
The following is not new to FR, but this policy has been tightened and will continue as needed.
RACISM POLICY - THE TIGHTEST GUIDELINE ON FR
It is probably best to outline what is, and what is not acceptable where the subject of race is concerned - since first and foremost, race has been used by the enemies of Constitutional limits on government to force the removal of many of our freedoms.
NOT ACCEPTABLE
Blatant racism is indeed an ugly thing - and all material that is blatantly racist will be pulled when it is found or reported. Posts that express open hatred of any race, including Arabs - particularly Americans of Arab descent - are candidates for removal, and the expulsion of the poster from FR.
I suggest keeping your anger focused on those who use race to divide and conquer, i.e., the hypocritical socialists in the U.S. who needlessly fan the fires of racism to their advantage. Bigotry is part of racism, and part of religious persecution in the United States and elsewhere.
We know that, but keep your eye on where most of this comes from. Flatly stated, it is not from mainstream Americans, although many have fallen prey to it. The prostitution of major media in support of the socialist elite in academia and government should be slapped down hard with prime examples of the lack of racism right here on FreeRepublic - we have many of all colors and race among us. Let use that, not fall prey to the guile and habits of our real enemies.
RACE ACCEPTABLE
News and articles that discuss racial issues such as quotas, immigration, education and hiring practices in rational ways aimed at problems and redress are permitted.
News and articles and replies which discuss events, identified terrorists and those nations that harbor them are certainly permitted - along with appropriate comments, including outrage that does not include vulgarity, profanity, advocacy of killing of innocents, and ‘nuke-em-all’ sentiments, etc.
Posts and discussion of the religious beliefs of the various sects of Islam (there are several) are also allowed, but are limited to absence of the inappropriate content noted prior in this section.
The US has declared ‘war on terrorism' and those who support it - but all Arabs and Arab nations are not included in the definition of ‘the enemy.' Remember that, and that President Bush said, "In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect."
NEEDLESS DUPLICATES
We have a lot of duplication. Part of the guidelines are that users seek to avoid needless duplication or multiple posts of the same article from the same source. That includes an effort to do a search on the headline of the article to see if it has already been posted - before posting.
Note carefully, the success or failure of preventing needless duplication is predicated on the use of the original source document headline at all times, so that searches on that headline will be successful if it was posted prior. Posts that do not use the original headline may be removed.
Understandably, many times there are two or more people preparing the same post at the same time, having done a search and not found the article posted. Many times people ask moderators to remove a post they found to be a duplicate.
In addition, moderators also remove duplicate posts that are placed in the forum at approximately the same time. This is not to say that important news items can not be re-posted on the forum at some number of hours after an original post was posted. Some of these are appropriate, and moderators are urged to weigh the significance of such duplicates and allow them where appropriate.
COMMENTS
We are, as always, open to your comments on moderator activities. Some have made what I feel are good suggestions, some of which have been incorporated into the practices of moderators.
Once again though, we are not open to suggestions that moderators be identified - our anonymity will remain the policy of FR.
When moderators start throwing chairs at each other, flag the Moderator Moderator.
There are many topics for conservatives--of which a sizeable number of Christians are--which seem to us to be keenly important daily news and issues core to what we understand FR to be about.
AND, WE OFTEN FEEL, if I dare say so, that our perspectives and convictions on such are ALSO SOMEWHAT integral to or consistent with or ought readily to be potentially seen as so integral or consistent with--the purposes of FR. It is easy to feel that racism is hair triggered ready to tumble out on us for our convictions about issues of faith and current events.
It seems to, I hope many of us, that we ought to be able to discuss the FR emphasized current events etc. AND their implications for our faith as well as the implications of our faith REGARDING IMPACTING SUCH EVENTS and our nation for--conservatively valued good. It would seem to many/most? of us that such is well within the guidelines and purposes of FR.
Alas others seem to feel that mentioning anything about faith issues or God is the height of lunacy and must be slapped down as brain damaged insanity instantly.
Certainly believers are beholden to word things as calmly, moderately, attractively as possible. But I don't THINK even most strongly but tactfully worded things deserve racist slur sorts of attacks and quick deleting etc.
I believe that cross fertilization of ideas--especially about THEREFORE WHAT TO DO in the face of building international tyranny; over governmental control etc. Even and especially across strong values orientations and social groups. Typically it is such cross fertilization that forces people to think out of their rut habits and perceptual boxes. Some great creativity and problem solving can occur from such--'EVEN' with (horror!) those Christians. Perhaps such a perspective is not to be tolerated as within the purposes of FR. But I hope such a perspective could not just be tolerated but seen as integral to the purposes of FR.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE the attitude of avoiding lots of rules. Much appreciate GUIDELINES. And I'd prefer to live within them as best I normally can. IF it's fitting, please feel free to give me more guidelines regarding the above.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR LABORS FOR OUR NATION, CULTURE, WAY OF LIFE. MORE POWER TO YOU AND GOD BLESS ALL YOUR RELATIONSHIPS AND WORK AND RELATIONSHIP EFFORTS FOR GOOD.
What some might consider ‘heated argument’ others would call an ugly flame-war.
Fair enough, but folks can always go to another thread if they get uncomfortable with the rising temp. It depends on the issue and the level of personal invective, of course. Common sense should rule the day.
Better to be thoughtful and persuasive, offering incisive (so sharp as to cause mental pain) argument rather than anything that belittles the opponent. I’m sure you relish that, more than some need to bash others over the head with insult, right?
I like them both. I post longer thought pieces on what I know a great deal about (foreign policy and foreign affairs), and I like to get in short bursts of spars with people who can give it back and not have a coronary about it. Sometimes it is necessary to say to someone "you are a moron." It is just called for in the context of the argument. At the same time, some of the people I have had the most heated debates with I have ended up in contact with through Freepmail and all is forgiven and forgotten. No one else need know about it. This is the adult playground. Sometimes you get bruised by the others, but the kid who always runs to the teacher is a nerd. Better to brush ourselves off and get back at the toys.
Cheers. That's my two cents.
Thanks so much!
Not when I find it, KC. If you see it, point it out via abuse. Instances of are logged, and enough of it can lead to suspensions and eventual eviction, if warnings don’t work.
A pointer or two about what is entered in abuse. It helps to have a copy/paste of the reply on-thread entered in the report - that includes the post number. It also helps if there are links to others like it elsewhere, off-thread. If you have links to entire threads, post those - no html is required, just the full URL.
But, note too, there are many who are irreligious but maintain a high degree of honorable behavior. When that is not the case, let us know.
hehe - that is Jim, John or myself - so there is actually three of them. But, the final-word is Jim.
Hey, SO - get a grip. You skate on thin, thin ice.
The tolerance of which has been lowered, which is the point of this post. It will be wise for all to keep that in mind.
For YOU PEOPLE
Never-Ending Christian Chronicles
Pray For Bush Day xxx
Another Day In The Life Of George W. Bush (with photos)
Predestination
If you can't make your point in under a hundred threads, give it a FREAKING rest, will ya??? These threads are what dominate when I refresh "Latest Posts". At least you have an option to opt out of vanities in your preferences. I can't opt out of these.
28 Posted on 09/21/2001 20:17:35 PDT by Tall_Texan
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Since you have commented on the Christian site...can you comment on the "For you people" or the "Freeoples" site?
Seriously - point taken. Thanks. Wilco.
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Answering Islam has many of these stories in the "testimonies" section.
The moderate Muslim leadership in the United States needs to be confronted with their intolerance toward Muslims who choose not to follow Islam any longer. Do they support the U.S. Constitution and the freedom for people to choose their own religion (or even no religion)? See this article: Center of Peace and Hope in Christ for Afghanistan issues challenge to moderate Muslims.
Since you have commented on the Christian site
Where can I find that comment?
Perhaps you meant the Christian 'side' - I comment on no other site but this one. As for the complaint about threads that Tall_Texan comments on. I have one big suggestion - don't visit them if they offend you.
Frankly, I don't visit them, unless someone draws my attention to them. They don't bother me in the least, and those who are bothered by them need to stay away from them as well. People who rationally discuss things there are welcome to do so. Those who disrupt that civil discourse may indeed have to deal with me or other moderators.
Religious bigotry is just as ugly as racism, and it will be met with equal moderator resistance no matter from which side it comes - bank on it.
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