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To: PhilipFreneau
As to Freneau's editorial, since it came from a Republican newspaper one can assume that it is mere rhetoric and filled with lies. These can be listed one by one with great ease.

There was never any serious question of titles or monarchy or aristocracy (except for the aristocrats like Jefferson) but that didn't stop the Freneau's of the day from attacking such a strawman knowing that the dumbclucks who believed the Republicans would swallow it without question.

(4) is really a warning that we can't look too deeply at the meaning of the constitution but should take the superficial glosses of a Jefferson as gospel.

(5)Is a weak attempt to distract attention from the horrors of the Jacobin Terror (which Freneau and Jefferson would happily have imported into this land.)

(6)Demonstrates the financial and economic ingnorance of the Republicans. Jefferson's understanding of such matters was obsolete twice over since he was still a Physiocrat. Madison not much better. Both hated with a passion the man with absolute genius in these matters, the incredible Hamilton.

(7)this is mere verbiage with little or no meaning designed to cast doubt upon the Congress. Dishonesty was the stock in trade of Madison and Jefferson when they switched from support of measures to strengthen the nation to those designed to weaken it.

(8)Further demonstration of the total ignorance of the function of the National Bank and its benefit to all parties. Only because the Bank was created was the country able to grow as rapidly as it did. Hamilton so demolished the pitiful arguments of Jefferson, Madison and Randolph with his opinion on the constitutionality of the bank that I almost felt sorry for them. As sorry as one could feel for deluded unscrupulous liars and mountbanks.(9) Same issue financial and economic ignorance iced with partisian lies.

(10)Seems to be an argument against determining and describing the nature of the differences within the Nation. Just a concatenation of crap of no value.(11)More paranoid fantasies and lies. The general welfare clause has never been interpreted as giving the federal government the capacity to seize all powers. Even Madison admitted there were implied powers until he cast his lot in with the Jeffersonian liars.(12)Babbling nonsense illustrating the hatred and misunderstanding of the role of the military in a republic. Showing the fanaticism and incomprehension of the real world that Jefferson labored under.(13)Such fanaticism as this led to republican opposition to an adequate army and navy, the blundering into the War of 1812 w/o strong military and the burning of Washington. Only due to British distractions elsewhere did the U.S. escape defeat and even dismemberment. Jefferson and Madison's policies led to complete disaster in almost everyway.(14)More paranoid raving about Monarchy. Meaningless drivel completely in character with Freneau and similiar liars.(15)Even more paranoid lunacy about monarchy.

Thanks for posting this idiotic screed it is an excellent reminder of what a lying piece of crap your namesake was. Everyone who reads it (though there probably won't be many) need to understand clearly that the targets of his calumnies and lunatic attacks were Washington, Adams, Hamilton and anyone else who had fought and bled for the nation for many years. His allies were the airchair warriors and impractical visionaries like Jefferson and Madison who had no understanding of war and military necessities.

67 posted on 09/24/2001 9:47:49 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Your venom flows like a New England version of James Carville. Pretty one-sided, to be kind. It sounds suprisingly familiar, sorta like the Federalist 'literature' of Jefferson's most vehement opposition: the Antithesis of Freneau (you gotta admit, that's funny).

BTW, you stated that Madison became a strict constructionist after he became a "Jeffersonian"; and before that he assumed there were implied powers? This would indicate he became a Jeffersonian prior to his penning of Federalist 41, which I doubt. You must have assumed his first stance against implied power was in the 1792 General Welfare debate on the floor of the House.

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are History Professors that favor the Anti-Federalists. However, none (that I have debated) thought Jefferson to be a true Anti-Federalist. As for me, I couldn't care less. I think we got it about right for approximately the first 200 years, and lost our way the past 25.

69 posted on 09/24/2001 8:50:19 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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