BUSH APPOINTS PRO-ABORTION 'CATHOLIC' TO HEAD HOME SECURITY

WASHINGTON, September 21, 2001 (LSN.ca) - In the wake of the recent terrorist attacks in the United States, President George Bush announced last night the creation of a Cabinet-level position to head the new Office of Homeland Security. In a great disappointment to pro-lifers, Bush named notoriously pro-abortion Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, to head the office.

Matt Abbott, director of public affairs for America's Pro-Life Action League told LifeSite, "If Ridge refuses to ensure the security of the most helpless citizens of his state - the unborn - how can he be expected to safeguard security for the nation?" Abbott also commented that Ridge is "a self-proclaimed Catholic while maintaining his strident pro-abortion position. What kind of principles does a person like that have? It makes you uncertain of such a person's leadership qualities."

Yes, I have been published

Yes, I'm sure you have.

You asked my credentials, I gave them, so you accuse me of "needing to talk about it." Then when I ask your credentials, you obfuscate.

Every single post on every single thread on this forum for the last 11 days is purely "speculative." Yet you single mine out for criticism.

Therefore I think it safe to ignore your diatribes in the future, as you have no interest in informed debate, only in tearing down others with whom you disagree.

implying that you know what is in President Bush's mind

No where here have I either criticized Bush nor implied I knew anything about "what is in President Bush's mind."

Please provide proof for this baseless charge. Since you cannot, please stop making these baseless charges, and stick to the debate at hand.

I said I hoped for an appointee who was an old fashioned conservative Republican who 1)abides by his own party platform, and 2)recognizes that the inalienable right to life of all, from conception to natural death, is the foundation upon which all other rights and freedoms rest, and 3)thus can be relied upon to respect our rights as citizens.

Please tell me where this concept departs from basic conservative principles, the Constitution, or the Judeo-Christian ethic, and avoid ad hominem attacks.

Catchy.

Gee thanks. I didn't intend it to be 'catchy' I said it because it's the truth.

He is our leader. He is honorable. He is pro-life. He is a strong administrator who makes wise choices in his appointments. Tom Ridge is another example.

And he is also our President in time of war. Conservatives should be supporting him, not nit-picking on single issues to try to undermine him. Even if those issues are important in and of themselves. To say that America will be destroyed because of its stand on abortion, and link it to President Bush's choice of Ridge for this position is absurd. Fight abortion where it can be fought, not in imaginary fears.

I would venture to say that most in agreement with this post have never supported this President, and will never do so because he doesn't fit their (your?) narrow ideology. This is just a convenient excuse to bash him again, and I pray that it stops.

I am not worried about Ridge's pro-abortion stand. This whole thing is changing hearts and it is possibile that his heart may change. God has a way of dealing like that. What a great testament he could be for life. Let us pray.

This is the wisest post here, Slyfox.

Instead of screaming that this man is pro-abortion, we need to be praying for him. Perhaps this event, and working closely with a pro-life President, will be used by God to change his heart.
God is faithful, and I am praying fervently that this disaster will bring this country to its knees in repentance, and that a revival will result.

Who knows? Maybe working directly with our prolife President Bush will enable Mr. Ridge to modify his views on this subject!

This is such a good point! God is obviously at work in this whole situation, and a wonderful result of this tragedy would be a rethinking by many of their position on life. With Ridge in close consultation with President Bush, I for one, will be praying that his eyes would be opened on this critical issue.

In the mean time, the President has again, chosen a highly qualified person (who, not incidentally, IS a civilian) for a position which is needed for this time.

If his personal values weren't so screwed up he would have defeated Hildebeast. Because he has no MORAL compass he withdrew and let Hildebeast win.

You idiot, he quit because he had CANCER!

This post may be dumber than your "stay out of the sun, wear sunscreen, shave the beard, lose the turban...." post from a few days ago

>And just why do you suppose there are school shootings and mothers murdering their kids more often than ever before?

Because parents (and schools to an extent) these days have done a lousy job of raising their kids. The liberals want to blame video games and guns for these problems, but the truth is, parents have let their kids down. They didn't set examples, they didn't punish them when they misbehaved. They didn't spend time with them.

When we were all kids we probably had more access to guns and were trained to use them than kids these days (at least I was), but we didn't shoot our schools up, because we knew it was wrong.

The media and the liberals want to focus on guns and video games and movies, but that's a cop-out, they aren't trying to figure out what allowed them to even consider the things they do. It's the same with sex as well.

It all begins at the home. There are still parents out there raising good kids who will become good adults. But some parents would rather let others raise their kid, and then they wonder "where did the kids go wrong". The kids didn't, the parents did.

> In many states, if a pregnant woman is physically attacked and her baby is killed, the perpetuator(sp?) can be charged with either a double homicide, or a homicide and manslaughter.

If you read those laws on the books dealing with that, it's to punish the attacker more, and to deal with society's feelings that pregnant women must be protected more (because they are considered vulnerable) than regular women. It's not a statement saying one way or the other what defines a life. I dont' want to say it's a feel good law or anything, but it's one of those where the DA can get a harsher punishment than one normally could.

Here are the comments of one friend with whom I shared this thread via email:

Mother Theresa said, "The fruit of abortion is Nuclear War". People mocked her for saying such an apparently silly thing. Unfortunately I think it was more of a Prophecy than a statement.

But if you think about it it really makes sense, if the slaughter of the innocents breeds such a contempt for the value of human life then euthanasia sounds merciful and nuclear war can even be rationalized. When it gets to that point it's just a push of a button away.

Many people said [to you on this thread], "Yeah what's you're point?"

"Sing Louder, Sing Louder" That is a quote from a German lady I know that was with me at Mother Angelicas. Where does that quote come from and what does it mean?

She lived in Germany during World War II and spent time in a concentration camp because of her Father's refusal to bow to the Nazis. She told me that there was train track that ran near a church in Germany and it would stop occasionally to herd in more Jews and Christians. One Sunday the train stopped and the congregation could hear the moans and cries of the people that had been trapped inside. Apparently it was so horrendous that the people inside the church were literally getting sick until someone screamed out "Sing Louder, Sing Louder" so they could drown out the horrific cries and moans.

So for everyone that thinks it's ridiculous to make a connection between abortion and the character necessary to lead public office or maybe to even avoid Nuclear War, I say "Sing Louder, Sing Louder"

Maybe you won't hear the cries of the innocents being slaughtered in our Land. May God have mercy on our Souls and our Country.

Holy crap; I can hardly believe the B. S. that you've had to endure over this post!! I had thought that, if nothing else, Bill Clinton's sorry tenure at least proved with finality that character actually does matter, which is the appropriate premise of objecting to Ridge (and, yes indeed, those such as Tom Ridge who espouse unborn baby-killing are of questionable character), rather than the nature of the Cabinet level position that he's been appointed to, which is really incidental, but apparently lots o' "Freepers" are a tad slow on the uptake!!

On September 13th, John Paul II received newly-installed U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson at the Vatican, and told him this:

"In order to survive and prosper, democracy and its accompanying economic and political structures must be directed by a vision whose core is the God-given dignity and inalienable rights of every human being, from the moment of conception until natural death. When some lives, including those of the unborn, are subjected to the personal choices of others, no other value or right will long be guaranteed..."

If the above doesn't make sense to those who are offended over the legitimate revulsion that thinking pro-lifers feel toward the appointment to a Cabinet position of a pro-abort, then you are to be truly pitied.

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