Mossad speaks up

Janes.com ^ | September 19, 2001

[the herald]

Too many strange things about this and to many benefits for Isreal. Too few for the Islamic.

Continue to live in your conspiracy theory world. I think it was the Martians who were behind the attacks.
PS I don't care what religion I am - if I'm going to die tomorrow, I'm gonna go to Spearmint Rhino the night before and run up a $20,000 bill on my Amex.

[Sabramerican]

either your a "Sabra" or your an American, you can't be both)

Shame on you for plagiarizing one of your retarded friends. I was born one. I became the other. And I will be both till the day I die. Couldn't be happier.

[George W. Bush]

I have seen it definitively stated. I would swear to that fact under oath. I will point out that if this was so widely known, there would be plenty of reports of it in the press. AIPAC and Israel are not exactly excluded from the U.S. press, are they? And you could have confirmed your assertion in less time than you already spent denying Israeli culpability here.

No one should accept your assertion without some sort of official reporting or even a simple statement from Israel's government. I've provided proof and I've searched pretty far to find any confirmation of your assertion. I find none.

[Sabramerican]

was the Martians

Yeah. So what are you trying to say? Maybe it was Martians, with the help of the Neptunians.....but everyone knows the Mossad paid them.

Gosh. It's fun to post idiocy. Now I understand why so many here do it.

[Zviadist]

The Mossad has proven its effectiveness over the years, and likely the best in the business in what they do. BUT, I am always wary of intelligence agencies bearing gifts.

[George W. Bush]

Some of you might enjoy this summary which has more on the history of Israeli technology transfer and the applicability of AECA and ITAR treaties to Israel's continuing illegal technology transfers:

The Federation of American Scientists
U.S. Arms Clients Profiles: Israel

Sabra, I'm still waiting for any proof you have that the AWACS sale had any approval, even from the Clinton administration.

[tm22721]

None of our enemies are dumb enough (anymore) to give us any big, fixed targets that our military is trained to destroy. We must fight fire with fire. It would be cheaper to just hire the Mossad to handle the dirty business that must be done and let Israel man the front lines.

BUMP

[ecomcon]

"Tactical neutron bombs are primarily intended to kill soldiers who are protected by armor. Armored vehicles are very resistant to blast and heat produced by nuclear weapons, but steel armor can reduce neutron radiation only by a modest amount so the lethal range from neutrons greatly exceeds that of other weapon effects. The lethal range for tactical neutron bombs can exceed the lethal range for blast and heat even for unprotected troops. Armor can absorb neutrons and neutron energy, thus reducing the neutron radiation to which the tank crew is exposed, but this offset to some extent by the fact that armor can also react harmfully with neutrons. Alloy steels for example can develop induced radioactivity that remains dangerous for some time. When fast neutrons are slowed down, the energy lost can show up as x-rays. Some types of armor, like that of the M-1 tank, employ depleted uranium which can undergo fast fission, generating additional neutrons and becoming radioactive. Special neutron absorbing armor techniques have also been developed, such as armors containing boronated plastics and the use of vehicle fuel as a shield." reference: http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Outlaws/faq1 "Also called ENHANCED RADIATION WARHEAD, specialized type of small thermonuclear weapon that produces minimal blast and heat but which releases large amounts of lethal radiation. The neutron bomb delivers blast and heat effects that are confined to an area of only a few hundred yards in radius. But within a somewhat larger area it throws off a massive wave of neutron and gamma radiation, which can penetrate armour or several feet of earth. This radiation is extremely destructive to living tissue. Because of its short-range destructiveness and the absence of long-range effect, the neutron bomb would be highly effective against tank and infantry formations on the battlefield but would not endanger cities or other population centres only a few miles away. It can be carried in a Lance missile or delivered by an 8-inch (200-millimetre) howitzer, or possibly by attack aircraft. In strategic terms, the neutron bomb has a theoretical deterrent effect: discouraging an armoured ground assault by arousing the fear of neutron bomb counterattack. The bomb would disable enemy tank crews in minutes, and those exposed would die within days. U.S. production of the bomb was postponed in 1978 and resumed in 1981." reference: http://www.britannica.com/seo/n/neutron-bomb/

[Inyokern]

I'm still waiting for any proof you have that the AWACS sale had any approval, even from the Clinton administration.

The AWACS sale was cancelled. It was cancelled due to pressure from the US Congress, which AIPAC supposedly owns.

[George W. Bush]

The AWACS sale was cancelled. It was cancelled due to pressure from the US Congress, which AIPAC supposedly owns. There are a considerable number of factions who battle over this issue. But yes, generally AIPAC does own the Senate. They've never been as successful at controlling the House. The House is who really halted the AWACS sale. Not the Senate. And not Cohen or Clinton either.

I do note that you're entering this dispute over Israel's pre-sales approval and that you also are seeking only to distract from the actual issue being discussed. Apparently, you have no proof either. Merely a little sleight-of-hand misdirection from the topic.

[Illbay]

Ah, the New York Times, that bastion of support for the Bush administration.

[Inyokern]

There are a considerable number of factions who battle over this issue. But yes, generally AIPAC does own the Senate. They've never been as successful at controlling the House.

Actually, I think you will find that the House has traditionally been more pro-Israel than the Senate. But that does not mean that AIPAC "owns" either house.

I do note that you're entering this dispute over Israel's pre-sales approval and that you also are seeking only to distract from the actual issue being discussed. Apparently, you have no proof either.

From the Asia Times:

"Until recently, the United States has taken a benign view of Israeli arms sales, claiming a right to review only when US-made technology was directly involved, as required under US law. Israel informed Washington about the Phalcon sale in 1996, insisting that no US-protected technology was being used - a contention the Pentagon has not challenged. "

I don't know if that is pre-approval, but, apparently Washington was informed ahead of time and did not object unitl later.

[SuziQ]

The Mossad's input is worth hearing

You're damn right it is! Some folks may not approve of their methods sometimes, but they sure do get the job done! I would put a lot of stock in what they have to say! Remember, unlike the US, they have agents in place risking their lives to get info about the terrorists. After all, the EXISTENCE of the Israeli people depends on their vigilance.

[Illbay]

How is it that the Israeli lobby is so successful in playing both sides of the fence here in the U.S.? American Jews who overwhelmingly prefer Israel's interests over those of the U.S. tend to be liberal Democrats bordering on socialist. Yet Israel apparently enjoys broad support among well-known conservatives especially of the "religious right" persuasion.

You're right in that the Israel lobby seems to own the Senate, which is half Dem and about one-quarter RINO. The House, which is much more conservative, doesn't seem to take its orders from Israel.

What's going on?

[Gadsden1st]

I understand what it was designed to do originally. I was wondering how effective it would be used against those locations which housed the intelligence we would be looking for to track down the links to the terrories cells. If we were to destroy a command and control facility with conventional arms, it would be difficult to search records, computers, etc.. If we were able to destroy the individuals without excessive physical damage to the facility, the records would be available. I just didn't know how possible it was to generate the killing effect while minimizing the blast effect or if the radation generated would disrupt recorded data. Thanks for your reply.

[George W. Bush]

I think plenty of other evidence and statements indicate that there was strong objection from the Pentagon and from security analysts and the Congress. I don't consider your report from Asia Times to be too authoritative.

Any House member from the Bible Belt and the South would be afraid of their own constituents if they really turned against Israel. Conservative Christians have a great respect for God's Chosen People. In the event that Israel does something to substantially harm our security, the House members can take action. Otherwise, you'll find that conservative Christians overwhelmingly support the existance and the defense of Israel.

[VOA]

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[ExiledInTaiwan]

Half the family is in the group that controls the US and half the family in the group that sells the US to the Chinese. And how we fight over the white fish. It's not a pretty sight.

LOL

But what's the significance of the white fish? I'm not a New Yorker.

My family is all Catholic; half are holding inquisitions and the other half are selling passes to heaven! Oh, my mother used to be a Lutheran, but we don't talk about that!