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What We Face
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Posted on 09/18/2001 10:17:43 AM PDT by Eagle9

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To: Landru; Eagle9
I'm wondering if the numbers of those committed to suicide in the name of their Islamic Jihad is even a fraction of what the lying, cheating, quisling US Lamestream media would have us believe.

Doubtful. Look at the number of people who were "conscripted" into signing on with the Taliban against their will. I even read one man's story of his grandfather being abducted by the Taliban a couple of years ago -- he signed on as a Taliban officer so that they would release his grandfather. Under these circumstances, how loyal can they be? Especially considering the Taliban is on its heels right now.

eagle9, thanks for the bump...a well-written piece.

81 posted on 11/13/2001 9:03:19 AM PST by dwbh
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
i am an old man

you are wise, old man!

PS -- what is a pomder?
82 posted on 11/13/2001 9:09:07 AM PST by mlocher
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To: dwbh
The point you're making with respect to the "conscriptions" et al, added to reports of defections, people dancing in the streets, shedding the trimmings of fundamentalist Islam all remind me of the pre-Desert War Leftist media hype as opposed to the scenes of large groups of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to WACs in the desert.

Remember our media back then?

"Iraq Boasts 4th Largest Standing Army In The World"
"Republican Guard Among World's Elite Fighters; Heavy Allied Losses Predicted"

I could go on...
But ya know what?
I *think* I'm just gonna listen to my horse sense about these military things, & believe my lying eyes.
...again.

And the Taliban?
They're kicking themselves in the keister...bank on it.

83 posted on 11/13/2001 9:17:17 AM PST by Landru
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To: dwbh
"dwbh"????

Oh geshhh.
This is terrible.
Ya got me.
An Alzheimer's Moment...if ever there were.

84 posted on 11/13/2001 9:20:42 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
I'm wondering if the numbers of those committed to suicide in the name of their Islamic Jihad is even a fraction of what the lying, cheating, quisling US Lamestream media would have us believe.

You have a point there, but I am still troubled by the Islamic community in this country that aren't quite vocal enough about the atrocities commited by their fellow believers.

From this Thread:

ALIQAN, Afghanistan, Nov. 12 — In this town just taken from the Taliban by Northern Alliance troops, the busiest spot was Amon's Barbershop, where men lined up to have their beards shaved off.

In the 12 hours since the Taliban soldiers left this town, a joyous mood has spread. The people of Taliqan, who lived for two years under the Taliban's oppressive Islamic rule, burst onto the streets to toss off the restrictions that had burrowed into the most intimate aspects of their lives.
Men tossed their turbans into the gutters. Families dug up their long-hidden television sets. Restaurants blared music.

In the most noticeable change of all, women, clad in their head-to-toe burkas, walked the streets alone, no longer required to have a male relative at their side. They walked by themselves and they walked with each other, their blue and white and red burkas blowing open in the afternoon breeze.

"The Taliban, they were cruel people, and the whole city clapped and cheered when they retreated," said Muhammad Humayun, a 23- year-old pharmacist. "The first thing I did was take my turban off and throw it away."

85 posted on 11/13/2001 9:21:09 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro
There was a film made...oh, about 20 years ago.
It was called something along the lines of, "The Last Days" *or*, "The Bunker"
~I just cannot recall the exact name, anymore...(was depressing maximus even for Hollywierd...)
In any event; this film was a dramatization chronicalling the last few days of Adolf Hitler, Eva Braun & the select people surrounding the Fueher as the Russians approached Berlin.
Ol' Adolf was as crazy as a Loon with every incoming shell striking near that concrete bunker; although, Hitler enforced his will to the very end which included his ban on cigarettes, cigars etc...

Anyway, at the very end, Hitler, Eva & Hitler's dog retreat into their room following the *wedding* whereby they were to do what had to be done...& as soon as the gunshot was heard?
Everyone (still surviving) filed up the long flight of stairs, & lite-up a smoke.

Now, there're some interesting behaviors open for discussion here between the microcosm of that bunker, & the macrocosm of Kabul.

86 posted on 11/13/2001 9:33:56 AM PST by Landru
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To: Eagle9
Please remove me from your Bump list.
87 posted on 11/13/2001 9:34:53 AM PST by Southack
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To: Eagle9; *JIHAD IN AMERICA
Eagle thanks for posting this, the LTC had a great comment at the end, "Everyone I’ve talked to In the past few days has shared a common frustration, saying in one form or another “I just wish I could do something!” You are already doing it. Just keep faith in America, and continue to support your President and military, and the outcome is certain. If we fail to do so, the outcome is equally certain."

I'm in total agreement. I would add this one thing that we can do, because of Free Republic. When we see a home grown enemy like the communists in Madison Wi or Berkley, Ca., we must take them on and take no prisoners when they try to disrupt the war with their Jane Fonda tactics of the 1960-70's! That is our war. Our other war will be the identification of dangerous Islamic fanatics in America and ensuring that the PC ers in our society don't hide what these Islamics are doing in America.

88 posted on 11/13/2001 9:41:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Eagle9
Excellent essay! Thank you for the flag, Eagle9.

The will of the American people will decide this war. If we are to win, it will be because we have what it takes to persevere through a few more hits, learn from our mistakes, improvise, and adapt. If we can do that, we will eventually prevail.

The American people will remain resolute, but the "nattering nabobs of negativity" will do their utmost to divide us and weaken our resolve.

We must not waver in our determination to see this through to the end, no matter how long it takes.

89 posted on 11/13/2001 9:47:23 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: Grampa Dave
Our enemies are willing - better said anxious -- to give their lives for their cause. How committed are we America? And for how long? To my way of thinking, it is good to ask our fellow Americans --when asking how committed they are-- 'to what are you committed, and to what do you want to be committed?'

Too many fellow citizens have no concept of what is actually at stake in this war. Their complacency is understandable, to some extent, because it does seem a simplistic exercise as our greater technological weaponry obliterates men and material on the ground in Afghanistan.

But Afghanistan is not the point, the geography is not the point; what is being assaulted is the notion that a nation can harbor and train then send out terrorists to murder citizens of other nations, in an effort to force one ideological perspective upon the whole world! It is exactly the same 'problem' faced in the second world war and the cold war. It is interesting to note the evolution of methodology for promoting this 'one ideology WILL BE forced to fit all'. I fear we are winning on the ground in Afghanistan and losing here at home for lack of focus on the underlying reason for war, for the loss of resolve to see this conflict against a totalitarian ideology masquerading as a religious belief is waning all too quickly, signalling the success of leftist efforts to corrode our founding principles.

While the Taliban and al Qaida perceive they are fighting a religious war, we are fighting for our continued existence as a self-defending nation that tolerates many religions and assimilates many cultures, practicing a form of free enterprise ... and it is our system of valuation on the human family that these demon driven terrorists and Islamicists seek to kill.

It would behoove US to look long and hard at the contradictions we've allowed to seep into our espoused values ... contradictions like the 'right to hire a serial killer to deal with a personal/social problem' in direct contradiction to the notion that 'all are created equal and endowed by the Creator with life.' A people's resolve is only so strong as the extent to which that people are living by their espoused values.

We should have learned the inestimable value of moral resolve with sinkEmperor clinton and the lack of resolve on the Senate floor to remove the deviant X42 bastard from office ... how can immoral Senators remove one of their own? [I'm sick of the whole Lott of them! They proved to my satisfaction that they are fellow deviants with X42, and their continued unanimous or near unanimous passage of twisted legislation regarding life --and the devaluing of individual life-- proves it all the more.]

90 posted on 11/13/2001 10:09:00 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Eagle9
Exactly!
91 posted on 11/13/2001 10:13:12 AM PST by goodieD
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To: Eagle9; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Pokey78; Ragtime Cowgirl; veronica; summer; davidosborne...
Thanks for the ping, Eagle...

Here's another one for an important article...

Stay vigilant.
Mrs Kus

92 posted on 11/13/2001 10:26:22 AM PST by cgk
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To: Eagle9
A "ping" thanks.
93 posted on 11/13/2001 10:36:59 AM PST by Commonsense
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
""...My cousins and uncles did the same for me in WWII so that I could have a peaceful life without a German or Japanese bayonet being stuck up my rear..."
=====================================================

Big ol' Patriotic Bump

94 posted on 11/13/2001 11:00:10 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Eagle9
Whatever you do Bin Laden, Don't look up!!!
95 posted on 11/13/2001 11:12:56 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: cgk
Thanks for the flag on this. BTTT.
96 posted on 11/13/2001 11:18:15 AM PST by summer
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To: Eagle9
Be ever vigilant !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

97 posted on 11/13/2001 11:28:11 AM PST by blackie
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To: JMJ333
Thanx for the flag.  The author has it right, of course, and I wish
he had gone beyond the purview of the military.  Our enemy is as thick
inside our borders as he is spread out across the rest of the world.
While these attacks may have been conceived abroad, they were
executed by people on the ground in the US.  This is the direct
threat to America.  As carpet bombing Afghanistan makes
the news, we still seem bewildered when considering how to
stop terrorism at home.

There may never be a sense of closure in winning this war.
Killing OBL doesn't feel like adequate payback for the
attacks, while victory may be forever on hold pending
further eruptions.

As long as Arabia is ruled by corrupt, backward
dictatorships deflecting criticism through a murderous
religion and anti-Western lies masquerading as history
in their schools, the vipers will arise and find a following.
And that doesn't take east Asia into account.

98 posted on 11/13/2001 11:31:14 AM PST by gcruse
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To: Eagle9
Thank you for the bump E9; excellent report and a must read!
99 posted on 11/13/2001 11:40:11 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Eagle9
Thanks for your post. "The will of the American people will decide this war. If we are to win, it will be because we have what it takes to persevere through a few more hits, learn from our mistakes, improvise, and adapt. If we can do that, we will eventually prevail." Good point!
100 posted on 11/13/2001 11:54:37 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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