Posted on 09/18/2001 3:08:03 AM PDT by American in Israel
I posted this on another thread a few days ago and got mail requesting I post it on its own thread. So here goes;
Guys, you had better study up a little on the culture before you go in shooting. Not an insult, it is coming from the "know your enemies" book of tactics.
For instance, you should have known when the Taliban said Oslama "is our guest" that there is no way they will hand him over. In the desert nomad society that Islam came from, you protect your guests with your life even if you don't like them. Remember the story of the visitors that came to visit Lot in Sodom and Gomorra? Lot offered his daughters to the crowd demanding to sodomize "his guests". You fight to the death to protect someone "under your tent". Our hasty diplomacy trapped the Taliban by their own culture. I am not saying they would hand Bin Laudin over anyway, I am just saying the way we asked they could not.
Another thing you have to understand about Afghanistan is they are already bombed into the stone age. There are not too many buildings left standing now. They have been in a drought for 4 years, and the average TRUE Afghani is starving to death. The Taliban are nothing but your local Terrorist Islamic mafia family that has wrested control of Afghanistan from the true rulers. The Average Afghani most likely do not even know diddly squat about America. They did not dance in the streets when Americans died, they do not have TV's and the only radio most of them hears is tied to a post in the village square.
If you bomb Afghanistan into dust, will it stop wackos with a handful of high-tech knives? A knife IS a stone age tool! Pay attention to the Israeli's who have lived amongst these enemies for years. You do not stop terrorism by bombing villages, you just create more terrorists. You stop terrorism by attack the source of the terrorism. In Afghanistan's case it is the Taliban. There is already a civil war going on as the Afghani's try to free themselves from the Moslem invaders. If we were patient we could do a fly over taking out 50% of their military might (that is about 100% of what you can hope for with a no-ground assault). Then drop a few supplies like food on the freedom fighters, stand back and watch the problem solve itself. Just like Japan and Germany it is not the people in the streets that are the problem, it is the egomaniac's that have wrested control.
However this is going to ignite a far bigger problem, because the problem is not Afghanistan, it is Radical Islam. The reason Afghanistan was chosen to launch the attack from is precisely because there is not much to bomb there. Do not forget that the strings from Oslama are leading back to Syria, Libya, Egypt and most of all Saudi Arabia. You might ask why would Saudi do this, "we saved their asses from Saddam"? If you can not answer that question, you are fighting the shadows and do not understand the war you are in! Fail to know your enemy and you will be setup.
Think, come on what is the answer? All the money for this operation came from Saudi. The pilots came from all over but "follow the money."
The answer is this question, where is the block of rock that all Moslems worship? What nation of all nations controls Mecca, the holy city of Islam? That block of rock is the "Holy of Holies of Islam". All Moslems are required to travel to Mecca and walk around that block. Not just Radical Islamic’s, but ALL Moslems. It is one of their five commandments. The root of their religion.
You guessed it, our war is with Islam. Saudi Arabia is THE core of Islam, Radical or Non-Radical version. Islam teaches a very mild, religious purity type of religion until they get big enough in the host country, then out comes the fire and blood conversion speeches. A civil war is started, and one more empire bites the dust. It may take generations to get a big enough foothold, but desert people are very patient. Is not much to do in the desert but sit in the shade and watch the rocks grow.
When this attack goes down, every Islamic nation in the world is REQUIRED to declare war on America by the Koran. They are however NOT required to do so publicly. They are told by the clerics when the truth does not bring about the result you desire, it is better to lie to an infidel. Sure we made a coalition in the middle east in the Gulf War. They even thanked us, and even Kuwaiti declared war on us, BECAUSE AN INFIDEL RAISED HIS HAND TO SMITE A MOSLEM. Back stabbing your temporary allies is a way of life in the desert, if it had not been for the foundational rule that you protect your guests under your tent with your life, there would be no civilization in the deserts of Arabia. It is the foundation of their society.
You think the Arabs do not know Americans will Rally-Ho to a war? Think again, we are VERY predictable. We do so every time in history. Now we have ourselves landing troops in the only ISLAMIC nation that has nukes to invade its ISLAMIC neighbors. Do not forget that Pakistan is one of ONLY THREE nations to recognize the Taliban Authority as the valid rulers of Afghanistan. They are the Taliban’s BEST BUDDIES. Just think, Pakistan with nukes, and the entire forward arm of the American Army landing in one spot there. One nuclear car bomb and America is defenseless. Think also that China is the only world class nation to align with the Taliban after the Trade Center Bombing. Russia spent 10 years there setting up a puppet government.
I say go get them, but when you see the three greatest historical enemies of America in a huddle, better get your eyes open before you go stumbling in. I personally think this is a trap. If played right, this can set America up for invasion like nothing else ever has.
Show Restraint all right, go into war right before God, with your eyes open and ready for anything. Hunt your enemies down and destroy every one to the last man. But don't get all in a Rage and run off half-cocked trusting in your fancy toys, or you will be predictable and have high losses.
This is going to be a very difficult war, High Tech vs Stone Age. In case you have not noticed this is the arena that High Tech is the least suited and has the least advantage. In this scenario I will trade in a cruise missile with a nuke for a single marine. The marine will get the job done far better. BUT he has little advantage due to high-tech toys.
This strike against the WTC is a setup. We HAVE to respond, but lets think out the opening move well. Keep in mind the the suddenly friendly Russians at the front door are currently probing our air defenses at the back door. These same Russians have signed a mutual treaty against "American Aggression" within the last two years with China.
China has obtained Aircraft carriers. That is a thing they have no use for in invading Taiwan, China is an unsinkable Aircraft Carrier. Aircraft Carriers are for FORWARD force projection. Also interesting China has secured the panama canal and placed bases on the tip of the cape horn. Plug the canal, nuke the shores of America and send all those Costco ships over to the states under Aircraft Carriers air cover, and you got invasion. With the Pac/Lant sea lanes blocked, we have not got enough time to respond.
Thanks to Clintoon, the situation in the States is so bad right now that, if you join the National Guard, you get an overseas billet. We have our army spread out around the world fighting fires, Who might I ask are going to stop an Invasion if our Main Army is cutoff over seas? What better spot on earth to cut off our Army than little land-locked Afghanistan? Do not forget that the Russians are the worlds best Chess Players.
Read Isaiah 14-19. If the scenario I have shown above happens, and America responds with a full nuclear strike on the offending nations, only to be backstabbed in return by China/Russia pact, this prophecy will be fulfilled in its entirety. Many people suspect that Isaiah 18 is the Invasion of America. When is a branch pruned from the vine? When it shows no fruit. When is the shofar blown? In the feast of Trumpets. That time is now, in the next couple of weeks. (Let the reader understand)
Open your eyes boys, this is a setup. Don't step in the trap. I am not saying don't step, just don't step in the trap. Get your hearts right before God, so your eyes will be fully open."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/17/MN211030.DTL
The link posted above is to a poll being taken in San Fran about Congresswoman Lee...Freepers have been working on this...make sure you give it a visit!
Eagles Up!
The fact is even Saddam Hussein didn't use chem weapons on us just because of the threat made by George H.W. Bush that we would nuke him, in case you didn't figure it out Saddam belived him. What else stopped him? Saddam used chem weapons on Iranians and disident Iraqis, we have nukes and he belived that we would use them.
Next time before you start assuming that everyone you see mentioning nukes is dumber than you, maybe you should think through the entire process and realize that they can be just as effective as a threat and don't really need to be launched. Now go play with your critters Ellie May.
In the Gulf War it appeared that that faith wasn't all that strong. AII is writing as though every Muslim was analogous to Jim Bakker or Jerry Falwell. In reality, it didn't take much to push them to surrender. Great wealth often spoils people of all spiritual stripes.
Bush is smarter than this.
Whomever questioned the wisdom of the expression, "hold your friends close but hold your enemies closer", should now have their answer.
Who will heed the wisdom?
But the RED Chinese are our friends....../sarcasm
Bump for you Jeff, Joanie and bb.
Indeed, knowing your enemy, especially now, is going to be a critical element in how well we do in this war.
JH, for your ping list.
for your ping list.
The question there and in China will be can we use this conflict to better ourselves. I do not know the answer to that but I predict we will eventually find out.
Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown
What's the rush, anyway? Let's don't be in such a hurry that we get a lot of our people killed, disrupt our own continental security and open ourselves up to an invasion while rushing out to show that we're still bigger and meaner than anyone else. That's a pretty good prescription for falling on our faces.
No matter how smart Bush is, he's still surrounded by Clinton era nincompoops in both the military and the cabinet. There are plenty in Congress who definitely can't be trusted, also. If this had been a military attack from an identifiable nation, a swift retaliatory strike would be the correct response.
The response to something like this has to be well calculated to be effective.
Often words emanating from these Islamic radicals seem no more than empty, treatening rhetoric, but it seems that bin laden is quite earnest and does not make idle threats...bin laden is a rather shrewd character in a region that is well populated with shrewd types, and it makes for an odd proposition- he can and cannot be trusted.
And your remark about following the money is right on the mark also, for we know that the terror network did not recruit solely from Afganistan, but mainly fom those countries that we label as moderate, and I take this as a obvious and ominous warning flag. We must try to rethink our mindset and realize this is not a war against a country with firm borders, but a war against a particular culture.
As I said earlier, he is a shrewd operator, and has scored a coup against America, and he must have thought through about what comes next, and I tend to think we are being played, and I hope that our leaders realize this and start acting unpredictably and change the rules.
Being a student of history and having read a few books on the Afgan wars, there probably is not a better region in this world for defenders to spring a trap.
Excellent article! Should be bumped to many. There is an important principle in Deut. 28 that blessings are associated directly with obedience to the Lord and cursings with disobedience. There may be a whole lot of praying going on for America, but without repentance, the way ahead is going to be fraught with many traps. Sin separates man from God so God will not hear. If people want to hear Him and to be heard, they MUST repent. The concept of "saved by grace" has been overblown out of proportion.
Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.
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