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Let us hear from the active and retired Law enforcement, pilots, and concerned American citizens.
1 posted on 09/17/2001 7:05:55 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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Here is another site.

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2 posted on 09/17/2001 7:10:08 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (lawjj2@allways.net)
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If you're going to lock the cockpit (which, I agree, should be done), what good would arming the pilot and co-pilot do?

Air marshalls are a good idea. However, I think anyone who ever makes a move on a flight attendant again will be jumped and severely beaten.

3 posted on 09/17/2001 7:12:55 PM PDT by sinkspur
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Consider the following:

1—Midway Airlines has suspended operations because of market concerns, caused by the recent hijackings of competitors aircraft by armed terrorist over unarmed passengers and crew.

Midway Airline’s management surmises there will not be enough flying passengers during the next several months to allow Midway Airlines to generate the revenue needed to avoid complete financial collapse.

2—Amendment II, U.S. Constitution: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

A---The dictionary definition of the word “bear” states, “ to wear on oneself.”

B---The dictionary definition of the word “arms” states, “ a weapon, esp. a firearm.”

C---The dictionary definition of the word “firearm” states, “a weapon, esp. a pistol…”

The unconstitutional FAA regulations prohibiting U.S. citizens from exerting their constitutionaly protected "right to...bear arms" on an aicrcraft, can be held directly responsible as an accommplice to the terrorist turning a commercial aircraft into a bomb using knives.

Let's see what airline has the best and well educated constitutional law experts on the payroll, to defend and implement the following marketing plan, designed to attract passengers, producing needed revunue:

“Attention fellow U.S. citizens. Provide a notarized birth certificate or notarized naturalization document upon boarding of our aircraft, proving you are an U.S. citizen and you can fly to all of this airline's destinations, exerting your enumerated, unalienable right to “bear arms.”

You are invited and encouraged to bring your “arms,” worn in full view of all, onto the aircraft and to enjoy the virtual full security of knowing that the aircraft you are on will not be hijacked.

You and your fellow passengers will be the “force” and “deterrent” to the threat of hijacking by terrorist.

Exert your unalienable, God given right, guaranteed to be inviolate of any enacted law or regulation, by the Second Amendment.

And, welcome aboard.”

I contend that every seat will be full.

7 posted on 09/17/2001 7:23:51 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
This is an example of chaos theory - a small effect (Bin Laden and 20 followers) leveraging 5000 lives and 40 billion dollars of real estate. You can't predict chaos, it just happens. It's not worth going to exorbitant lengths to fix a problem that is unlikely to ever happen again.


BUMP

13 posted on 09/17/2001 7:45:37 PM PDT by tm22721
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
We now have near 6000 DEAD in NYC, The so called airport security has been shown to be a farce. We have the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. We have allowed ourselves to be disarmed when going into circumstances that history has shown to have a high degree of risk and a need for a real means of defense and protection. The tragic debacle in NYC clearly proves that a total reliance on the govt. for protection usually has a bad end. It's time to reclaim lost rights.
14 posted on 09/17/2001 7:59:00 PM PDT by Captain7seas
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AMEN CHICAGOFARMER! AMEN!!

THE ENTIRE EPISODE COULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED HAD EACH OF THOSE PLANES HAD STRONGER COCKPIT DOORS AND THOSE FOUR CAPTAINS HAD CRUMBY $300. PISTOLS IN THEIR FLIGHT BAGS!

WE SIMPLY MUST ASK OUR "LEADERS" WHY THEY DID NOT!!

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT PLAN, ASK THE SURVIVORS OF THE 5,000 FORMER AMERICANS IF THEY WOULD AGAIN TRADE THEIR LOVED ONES TO APPEASE THE OH-SO DELICATE SENSIBILITIES OF ROSIE O'DONNELL, SARAH BRADY AND THE NUTS AT HANDGUN CONTROL. ANYBODY ELSE WONDER WHY WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM SINCE 9-11?

As America continues to reel from the catastrophic events of 9/11, we need to rethink a few things:

It’s probably time to train and ARM the cockpit crews of US carriers who agree to the program. Pilots and FOs who do not want the responsibility can be exempted. It was, after all, the folks controlling the aircraft who were the targets on Terrible Tuesday.

During the rash of hijackings of a few decades ago, the feds put armed “AIR MARSHALS” on many flights. While some correctly argued that a fuselage punctured by a bullet at 35,000 feet MIGHT – repeat MIGHT bring the plane down – hijackings fell off.

One thing we know for sure about the four craft hijacked on 9/11: They ALL CAME DOWN and THEY ALL DIED!!

And to those who will inevitably – and stupidly – argue that pilots and FOs just cannot be trusted with the decision about when it’s time to pull a trigger, better tell the up to 400 folks sitting in the back that the guys up front are judgment-impaired!

Personally, I’d prefer to take my chances with a rapid decompression than watch some madman take MY flight into a building or the ground at 500 mph. That was the final experience of 266 fellow humans on 9/11. I KNOW I – like they – won’t survive that!

And pay VERY close attention to the "solutions" being offered by those in government: They are NOT talking about REMOVING the limitations they have ALREADY placed on us as individuals to DEFEND OURSELVES. They are beginning to talk about FURTHER RESTRICTIONS on our liberties and MORE GOVERNMENT! More GOVERNMENT? The same GOVERNMENT that failed so miserably in its obligation to protect citizens that 5,000 of them died like cattle in a slaughterhouse on September 11th? THAT GOVERNMENT?? </font color=red>

It’s again the old, old story: There aren’t TOO many weapons out there. It’s that the touchy-feely, warm-fuzzy PC crowd now sees to it that all too frequently, THE WRONG PEOPLE HAVE THEM!

18 posted on 09/17/2001 8:40:34 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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BUMP!!
23 posted on 09/17/2001 9:06:54 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO THRU THE TRAINING TO PROTECT MY FAMILY AND MY FELLOW AMERICAN'S

31 posted on 09/18/2001 7:21:25 AM PDT by ROMEO60540 (romeo60540@yahoo.com)
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Terrorists may be crazy enough to kill themselves but are also smart enough to choose acts with the greatest probability of success. "We the people..." are the ones who can put any act they do around us into jeopardy. The following is letter I plagiarized from writings and ideas here on FR and wrote to the Opinion section of the local paper.

“A well-regulated militia being essential to the security of a free state. . . ." The next time someone tells you that the militia referred to in the Second Amendment has been "superceded" by the National Guard, ask them who it was that prevented United Airlines Flight 93 from reaching its target. The National Guard? The regular Army? The D.C. Police Department? None of these had a presence on Flight 93 because, in a free society, professional law-enforcement and military personnel cannot be everywhere. Terrorists and criminals are well aware of this. Who is everywhere? The people the Founders referred to as the "general militia." Cell-phone calls from the plane reveal that it was members of the general militia, not organized law enforcement, who successfully prevented Flight 93 from reaching its intended target at the cost of their own lives. Had these citizen-heroes been armed, none of the hijackings would have happened much less succeeded.

The characterization of these heroes as members of the militia is not just an opinion. It is clearly stated in Federal statutes. If you do not believe me, please read Section 311 of US Code Title 10, entitled, "Militia: composition and classes", in its entirety.

32 posted on 09/20/2001 8:35:49 AM PDT by tberry
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