Posted on 09/17/2001 3:16:52 PM PDT by maxwell
Okay, my first question is-- WHO DO THEY THINK THEY'RE KIDDING?! Let me put this into context: this is the text of a flyer that's being posted around the campus where I attend graduate school:
WAR IS TERRORISM
Contact your Congressmen and speak out against unneeded and violent retaliation. The lives of foreign peoples [sic] and US soldiers will not bring back those lost in the recent tragedy in New York.
For more information about US foreign policy and the events that have taken place in the US and abroad, refer to the following websites:
www.indymedia.org
www.zmag.org
www.wtowatch.org
www.globalexchange.org
www.wto.org
www.protest.net
www.slashdot.org
Throughout the 20th Century violence and military might has been used to curb international terrorism. It hasn't worked. We need a new solution for a new century. Let's show that America has learned something from Vietnam, from Libya, from Iraq, from Israel, and Afghanistan.
Above all, don't listen to CNN and the major news networks. They say we are at war. They say that this is the new Pearl Harbor. Inform yourself. Terrorism is not new. Learn from the mistakes of the past.
Keep yourself informed and inform Congress in turn. The only way we can prevent needless violence is through active protest.
[emphasis mine]
I won't even address the appalling sentence structure and composition (and this is one of the better schools... sheesh...)-- that last line gets me. What, d'ya think suicidal religious fanatics are going to pay attention to a few flyers and some nude picketing?! The sheer assininity of kids these days floors me... Didn't bother to check out the links, but I speculate it's more of the same...
So my question to the rest of y'all is, how much anti-war rhetoric have you come across so far?
Mine is eleven, and he also understands.
It's all our fault,
My son understands that this outrage did not happen in a vacuum.
War is evil, killing inocent people won't solve anything,
A proper Christian upbringing nails that down for us. War is evil and once the dods are unleashed brings on all sorts of unforessable results.
it sounded like they got their talking points straight from some peacenik out fit, but more likely from high school teachers and MTV.
I am glad we do not watch T V much at all. That is full of swap gas. We communicate to our children in conversation. We tell them what they need to know. They ask questions. We talk about it.
What a concept? It is starnge that
Pull out the "What would Indhira Ghandi do?" quotes... Then hit him with Moses and follow through with Paine and Jefferson.
Thank you, this is much easier to accept right now than blanket pacifism.
- there must be serious prospects of success;
- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated
The President and his Cabinet, I believe, understand the seriousness of the decisions they are making, and the consequences, but who among us would ever want to have to make this decision. Maybe Bill Clinton..For Chris Matthews, and anyone who believes that President Bush is lucky for this "photo-op," please think about what you're saying and the weight on his shoulders. This is not a man who would glory in the death of innocent neighbors.
As far as my name, you forgot to mention that fitz also represents offspring of a royal father that didn't marry the mother. So I'm anti-abortion and descended from royalty you might say.
It's pathetic. Check out his weblog to see what an old pu**y looks and sounds like.
In the aftermath of these most recent terrorist strikes, it is becoming increasingly important to identify the enemy. This is what President Bush was referring to when he indicated that we were facing a "different kind of enemy." The enemy is no longer a readily identifiable nation or set of leaders within a nation, but has spread like yeast in dough throughout the world. The enemy includes not only obvious groups of individuals, but various wrong ideas that are being exalted as ideals by "friend" and foe alike. Here's my cut at the enemies we face with regard to terrorism.
Enemies who are people:
1) Those that would engage in violence against our country and people, i.e. terrorists.
2) Those that would aid and abet those who would engage in violence against our country and people, i.e. foreign governments, wealthy idealists, family and friends of terrorists.
3) Those that would export weapons and other technologies that can be used to generate violence or support those who propagate violence against our country or people, i.e. businessmen.
4) Those that would make it easier through regulation or lack of enforcement to export weapons and other technologies that can be used to generate violence or support those who propagate violence against our country or people, i.e. business, government, security, and law enforcement agencies.
5) Those that would seek or promote diplomatic agreements for the sake of diplomacy without achieving true security for our people, i.e. various leaders or organizations both internal and external to our country including those in government, business, religion, media, etc.
6) Those that would seek or promote a judicial solution for the sake of political correctness without reasonable expectation of obtaining true justice or future security for our people, i.e. various leaders or organizations both internal and external to our country including those in government, business, religion, media, etc.
7) Those that would seek or promote peace at any cost, i.e. various leaders or organizations both internal and external to our country including those in government, business, religion, media, etc.
8) Those leaders who are not willing to accept the possibility for civilian or military casualties to exact justice on our enemies, i.e. various leaders or organizations both internal and external to our country including those in government, business, religion, media, etc.
9) Those leaders who are not willing to temporarily sacrifice some personal freedoms, rights, conveniences, or sacrifice individual people for the increased security of all, i.e. various leaders or organizations both internal and external to our country including those in government, business, religion, media, etc.
Ideological Enemies:
1) Radical Islam or any other faith or cause that promotes holy war or jihad against the US.
2) There is a judicial solution for every crime.
3) Tolerance is more important than truth.
4) All nations or people groups will play fair if given a chance.
5) All nations or people groups are capable of governing themselves.
6) The US must never occupy a country even though the indigenous people have demonstrated that they cannot govern those within their borders.
7) Innocent people must never be killed by the US military.
8) Nothing more than a measured response can be initiated against our enemies.
9) Preemptive strikes on our enemies are not appropriate.
10) The people have the right to know everything that we are doing militarily at any time.
11) The government cannot sacrifice any individuals or any individual rights for the security of the nation. (This is the scary one and hopefully only temporary)
The freedom we now enjoy hangs in the balance if we are not able to respond appropriately to these enemies. This grand experiment as an open society is going to be severely tested by these events and our response to them. God bless all of our leaders with the wisdom and discernment necessary to deal with the current crisis through thoughtful decisions. The ramifications of their decisions will be felt throughout the remainder of history.
The liberal propagandists are very good at undermining the war effort.
Every attempt must be made to counter this.
Plenty of communists (actually, probably a majority) are war-mongering types, out to overthrow capitalism by force. Occasionally I see communist types who believe that violence is always immoral, but the majority think that violence is the only way to root out class structure and rebuild society in the Marxist order.
A lot of pacifists are young, inexperienced idealists, or else they are convinced radicals. They also have a number of cowards who would just rather save their own skins. If you've ever read of the Hutterite and Mennonite Americans who refused to bear arms (on religious grounds) in previous wars, you must know that some pacifists are not cowards.
And, for the record, I'm not a pacifist.
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