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Chris Matthews: Clinton never had shot at greatness/never got opportunity Bush was given Tuesday
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 09/13/2001 | Chris Matthews

Posted on 09/17/2001 12:09:20 PM PDT by Mia T

 Chris Matthews: "Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness. . .
he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead."

Washington -- Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness...he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead.

Chris Matthews: Bush's war

From Woodward's book, The Choice - p 65:

 
 
...Clinton held a secret strategy session in the White House with Hillary, Gore, Panetta, Ickes and several cabinet secretaries. clinton asked everybody to keep the discussion private. He said he wanted to recapture winning themes of his 1992 victory, with emphasis on the middle class and traditional party groups such as labor. But it was a mushy meeting, and because some details soon leaked to the media no more such large sessions were held.
 
 
As Clinton continured his search, he lamented that he could not see a big, clear task before him. Part of him yearned for an obvious call to action or even a crisis. He was looking for that extraordinary challenge which he could define and then rally people to the cause. He wanted to find that galvanizing moment.
 
 
"I would have preferred being president during World War II" he said one night in January 1995. "I'm a person out of my time."

 

Chris--

clinton failed to achieve "greatness" (or even garden-variety adequacy ) not because of an absence of "opportunities"--but rather because of an absence of guts and selflessness and honesty to take the "shot," and an absence of skill to make it in any case...

Bush: "I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt."

Washington and the liberal media may be getting the message: George Bush is for real and he's no Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to war.

Even Newsweek's Howard Fineman, a liberal Bush-basher, has had to do a double take this week.

Writing in his column of an Oval office meeting with four U.S. Senators -- including Hillary Rodham -- Fineman described Bush "relaxed and in control."

Fineman, drawing a comparison with Winston Churchill's defiance during World War II, quoted the president as telling the Senators: "When I take action," he said, "I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

No doubt, Hillary must have shuddered when she heard that, a clear hit on her husband's eight years of appeasement with terrorists and their backers.

Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[ASIDE: Have you noticed that as of the morning of 9-11-01, hillary clinton's "best memory" informs her--and she is quick to inform us -- that she was not "co-president" after all?]

Ex-CIA director blasts China policy

Woolsey likens strategy to failed 'appeasement' before WWII

"It's a legitimate end-use," says a Clinton administration official, who asked not to be identified. "Weather forecasting in the United States uses very intensive computing."

'Precedent Shattering': Administration OKs Supercomputer Sale to China

ABCNEWS.com, Published: 12/02/99, Author: David Ruppe

 

NEW YORK--A NewsMax.com/Zogby International poll finds that two-thirds of Americans want Congress to consider a second round of impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton for possibly swapping United States military secrets to China in exchange for campaign cash.
 
Americans overwhelmingly indicated they are seriously concerned that President Clinton may have authorized the sale and transfer of nuclear and ballistic missile technology to China. The national survey of 1,005 registered voters was conducted by NewsMax.com/Zogby last week...

Poll: Two-thirds of Americans Want New Impeachment Review

NewsMax.com

December 21, 1999

 

The Manchurian Candidate?
Or Being There?
 
by Mia T
 
 
The Republicans' latest talking point is that the breach of national security enabled by clinton-gore must be simple incompetence, that the concept that anyone in government would commit treason is too outrageous even to contemplate.
 
If the Republicans believe what they are saying, then they are morons.
If they don't believe what they are saying, then they are traitors.
 
Outrageousness is an essential element of clinton-gore corruption. The clinton (and gore) crimes -- perjury, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, rape, murder -- and now treason -- are so outrageous that they allow clinton hacks to reasonably brand all clinton accusers clinton-hating neo-Nazi crazies.
 
Yet privately few clintonites would deny that bill clinton facilitated China espionage. Their only question: "Why?"
 
Some call clinton a quisling, a Manchurian Candidate, bought off in Little Rock by Riady and company decades ago (and much too cheaply, according to his Chinese benefactors), trading our national security for his political power. This argument is persuasive but incomplete; clinton, a certifiable megalomaniac, is driven ultimately by his solipsistic, messianic world view and by that which ultimately quashes all else -- his toxic legacy.
 
William J. Broad suggests (Spying Isn't the Only Way to Learn About Nukes, The New York Times, May 30, 1999) that clinton had another reason to empower China and disembowel America. Broad argues that clinton sought to disseminate our atomic secrets proactively in order to implement his counterintuitive, postmodern, quite inane epistemological theory, namely, that, contrary to currently held dogma, knowledge is not power after all -- that, indeed, quite the contrary is the case.
 
Broad writes in part:
 
Since 1993, officials say, the Energy Department's "openness initiative"
has released at least 178 categories of atom secrets. By contrast, the
1980s saw two such actions. The unveilings have included no details of
specific weapons, like the W-88, a compact design Chinese spies are
suspected of having stolen from the weapons lab at Los Alamos, N.M. But
they include a slew of general secrets.
 
Its overview of the disclosures, "Restricted Data Declassification
Decisions," dated January 1999 and more than 140 pages long, lists such
things as how atom bombs can be boosted in power, key steps in making
hydrogen bombs, the minimum amount (8.8 pounds) of plutonium or uranium
fuel needed for an atom bomb and the maximum time it takes an exploding
atomic bomb to ignite an H-bomb's hydrogen fuel (100 millionths of a
second).
 
No grade-B physicist from any university could figure this stuff. It
took decades of experience gained at a cost of more than $400 billion.
 
The release of the secrets started as a high-stakes bet that openness
would lessen, not increase, the world's vulnerability to nuclear arms
and war. John Holum, who heads arms control at the State Department,
told Congress last year that the test ban "essentially eliminates" the
possibility of a renewed international race to develop new kinds of
nuclear arms.
 
And the devaluing of nuclear secrets, highlighted by the rush of atomic
declassifications, was seen as a prerequisite to the ban's achievement.
The symbolism alone was potent, officials say. Openness let them
advertise a dramatic new state of affairs where hidden actions were to
be kept to a minimum, replacing decades of secrecy and paranoia.
 
"The United States must stand as leader," O'Leary told a packed news
conference in December 1993 upon starting the process. "We are
declassifying the largest amount of information in the history of the
department."
 
Critics, however, say the former secrets are extremely valuable to
foreign powers intent on making nuclear headway. Gaffney, the former
Reagan official, disparaged the giveaway as "dangling goodies in front
of people to get them to sign up into our arms-control agenda."
 
Thomas B. Cochran, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense
Council in Washington, a private group that has criticized the openness,
said the declassifications had swept away so many secrets that the
combination had laid bare the central mysteries.
 
"In terms of the phenomenology of nuclear weapons," Cochran said, "the
cat is out of the bag."
 
Even before the China scandal broke, experts outside the administration
faulted the openness as promoting the bomb's spread. Last year, a
bipartisan commission of nine military specialists led by former Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the "extensive declassification" of
secrets had inadvertently aided the global spread of deadly weapons.
["inadvertently" ???!!!!]  
 
The ultimate brake on nuclear advances was to be the Comprehensive Test
Ban Treaty, which clinton began to push for as soon as he took office in
1993, hailing it as the hardest-fought, longest-sought prize in the
history of arms control.
 
Broad would have us believe we are watching "Being There" and not "The Manchurian Candidate." His argument is superficially appealing as most reasonable people would conclude that it requires the simplemindedness of a Chauncy Gardener (in "Being There") to reason that instructing China and a motley assortment of terrorist nations on how to beef up their atom bombs and how not to omit the "key steps" when building hydrogen bombs would somehow blunt and not stimulate their appetites for bigger and better bombs and a higher position in the power food chain...(or, alternatively, to fail to understand that the underlying premise of MAD (mutually assured destruction) is the absense of madness.)
 
But it is Broad's failure to fully connect the dots -- clinton 's wholesale release of atomic secrets, decades of Chinese money sluicing into clinton 's campaigns, clinton 's pushing of the test ban treaty, clinton 's concomitant sale of supercomputers, and clinton 's noxious legacy -- that blows his argument to smithereens and reduces his piece to just another desensitizing clinton apologia by The New York Times.
 
But even if clinton is a thoroughgoing (albeit postmodern) fool, China-gate is still treason. The strict liability Gump-ism, "Treason is as treason does"applies.
 
(The idea that an individual can be convicted of the crime of treason only if there is treasonous intent or mens rea runs contrary to the concept of strict liability crimes. That doctrine (Park v United States, (1974) 421 US 658,668) established the principle of 'strict liability' or 'liability without fault' in certain criminal cases, usually involving crimes which endanger the public welfare.)
 
Calling his position on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty "an historic milestone" (if he must say so himself), clinton believed that if he could get China to sign it, he would go down in history as the savior of mankind. This was 11 August 1995.
 
According to James Risen and Jeff Gerth of The New York Times, "the legacy codes and the warhead data that goes with them" [-- apparently stolen from the Los Alamos weapons lab by scientist, Wen Ho Lee aided and abetted by bill clinton , hillary clinton , the late Ron Brown, Sandy Berger, Hazel O'Leary, Janet Reno, Eric Holder and others in the clinton administration (not to mention congressional clinton accomplices Glenn, Daschle, Bumpers, Harkin, Boxer, Feinstein, Lantos, Levin. Lautenberg, Torricelli et al.) --] "could be particularly valuable for a country, like China, that has signed onto the nuclear test ban treaty and relies solely on computer simulations to upgrade and maintain its nuclear arsenal [especially when combined with the supercomputers that clinton sold to China to help them finish the job]. The legacy codes are now used to maintain the American nuclear arsenal through computer simulation.
 
Most of Lee's transfers occurred in 1994 and 1995, just before China signed the test ban treaty in 1996, according to American officials."
 
Few who have observed clinton would argue against the proposition that this legacy-obsessed megalomaniac would trade our legacy codes for a rehabilitated legacy in a Monica minute and to hell with "the children."
 



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To: Mia T
Love your posts Mia T, as do most of us I'm sure.

It was Klinton's drive-by-shooting attacks on camels, tents, and aspirin factories that help fuel the suicide bombers' resolve to kill 5000+ Americans. He handed Bush this "opportunity" and deserves his share of the "credit." The wretched Chris Matthews makes me sick.

81 posted on 09/17/2001 4:10:58 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: Poincare
bttt
82 posted on 09/17/2001 4:30:57 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Mia T
"Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness...he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead."

I guess when our embassies were bombed, he didn't have a chance. When he announced the "war on drugs", he didn't have a chance. When McVeigh terrorized Oklahoma City, he didn't have a chance. The way his administration alienated a large percentage of the populace at Waco, at Ruby Ridge, and in Little Havana in Miami, he didn't have a chance.

Probably because he was too busy getting hummers to figure it out.

During his 8 years, there were other opportunities. We need to have a post, after this terrorist thing calms down, itemizing Clinton's lost opportunities.

83 posted on 09/17/2001 4:49:43 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Mia T
Bill's shot at greatness ended when he shot his load at Monica.
84 posted on 09/17/2001 5:20:34 PM PDT by Clintons-B-Gone
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To: Mia T
I've been saying this all week: The libs are miserable that President Bush will get the credit for taking action.

These folks are so stinking liberal, it doesn't matter to them that America might prevail. What fools vote for them?

85 posted on 09/17/2001 5:26:42 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: soccermom
Clinton had no crisis upon which to build a legacy.

Didn't he create enough of them?

If this had happened on Clinton's watch, he'd have been President forever, which is probably what Chris Matthews wanted.

86 posted on 09/17/2001 5:29:10 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Eva
I read in one of the trash papers in the grocery store checkout line that Hillary is going to reveal in her new book that she was also cheating on Bill,

Remember what Bill say's,Hillary,"Eating ain't cheating"

87 posted on 09/17/2001 5:40:39 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Mia T
"I would have preferred being president during World War II" he said one night in January 1995. "I'm a person out of my time."

Should read "I'm a person out of my mind.

88 posted on 09/17/2001 5:42:00 PM PDT by varon
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To: ALL
Great men do not go out searching for a legacy!!

Greatness is bestowed on them by the deeds they perform with HONOR!!

89 posted on 09/17/2001 5:47:51 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: RJayneJ, Alas, Mia T
"I am trying hard to decide who Monica would look more like if she were to get a man's hair cut. Chris matthews, danny rather or petey jennings." -- Freeper "Alas", in reply 15 above.

Jayne, I proudly nominate the above as a future "Quote of the Day". Won't hurt my feelings if it's not selected; I know the competition's awfully tough these days. But I thought this was a scream, and I suspect you prefer having a sizable pool of nominations from which to choose.

90 posted on 09/17/2001 5:49:25 PM PDT by solzhenitsyn
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To: LADY J
AMEN!!!!!!!!
91 posted on 09/17/2001 5:49:49 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: Mr. Bungle

BUMP! 


92 posted on 09/17/2001 6:54:39 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Scumbag had a shot at a blue dress and his legendary sink.
93 posted on 09/17/2001 6:57:01 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Mia T
Ah, one of my favorite hits. You'd do the world a favor by publishing you book of political 'schematics.' They're endlessly fun. :)
94 posted on 09/17/2001 7:04:56 PM PDT by Mr. Bungle
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
A setup, yes...but Matthews is hedging his bets. In Matthews' opportunity-on-a-silver-platter paradigm, even a Bush win is a non-achievement.
95 posted on 09/17/2001 7:06:02 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Chris Matthews, I REALLY wish YOU would move to Afghanistan!
96 posted on 09/17/2001 7:15:02 PM PDT by summer
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To: f.Christian
 
Don't lose
Your head
To gain a minute
You need your head
Your brains are in it.
--an old roadside ad, Pushme-Pullyou
 
 
 
 


97 posted on 09/17/2001 7:18:15 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Washington -- Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness...he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead.

Is Matthews a sick SOB?????

5,000+ dead and HE thinks it's a chance at "greatness"?

Liberals NEVER fail to sicken me.

98 posted on 09/17/2001 7:22:51 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Mia T
Clinton may not have had a shot at greatness, but his Presidency was full of opportunities for decency, and he failed at that so regularly that he achieved a kind of perverse greatness. We'll never have a primer example of the kind of man who should NEVER AGAIN be President.
99 posted on 09/17/2001 7:28:15 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: Mia T willyboyishere
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100 posted on 09/17/2001 7:31:03 PM PDT by ppaul
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