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Chris Matthews: Clinton never had shot at greatness/never got opportunity Bush was given Tuesday
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 09/13/2001 | Chris Matthews

Posted on 09/17/2001 12:09:20 PM PDT by Mia T

 Chris Matthews: "Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness. . .
he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead."

Washington -- Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness...he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead.

Chris Matthews: Bush's war

From Woodward's book, The Choice - p 65:

 
 
...Clinton held a secret strategy session in the White House with Hillary, Gore, Panetta, Ickes and several cabinet secretaries. clinton asked everybody to keep the discussion private. He said he wanted to recapture winning themes of his 1992 victory, with emphasis on the middle class and traditional party groups such as labor. But it was a mushy meeting, and because some details soon leaked to the media no more such large sessions were held.
 
 
As Clinton continured his search, he lamented that he could not see a big, clear task before him. Part of him yearned for an obvious call to action or even a crisis. He was looking for that extraordinary challenge which he could define and then rally people to the cause. He wanted to find that galvanizing moment.
 
 
"I would have preferred being president during World War II" he said one night in January 1995. "I'm a person out of my time."

 

Chris--

clinton failed to achieve "greatness" (or even garden-variety adequacy ) not because of an absence of "opportunities"--but rather because of an absence of guts and selflessness and honesty to take the "shot," and an absence of skill to make it in any case...

Bush: "I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt."

Washington and the liberal media may be getting the message: George Bush is for real and he's no Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to war.

Even Newsweek's Howard Fineman, a liberal Bush-basher, has had to do a double take this week.

Writing in his column of an Oval office meeting with four U.S. Senators -- including Hillary Rodham -- Fineman described Bush "relaxed and in control."

Fineman, drawing a comparison with Winston Churchill's defiance during World War II, quoted the president as telling the Senators: "When I take action," he said, "I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

No doubt, Hillary must have shuddered when she heard that, a clear hit on her husband's eight years of appeasement with terrorists and their backers.

Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[ASIDE: Have you noticed that as of the morning of 9-11-01, hillary clinton's "best memory" informs her--and she is quick to inform us -- that she was not "co-president" after all?]

Ex-CIA director blasts China policy

Woolsey likens strategy to failed 'appeasement' before WWII

"It's a legitimate end-use," says a Clinton administration official, who asked not to be identified. "Weather forecasting in the United States uses very intensive computing."

'Precedent Shattering': Administration OKs Supercomputer Sale to China

ABCNEWS.com, Published: 12/02/99, Author: David Ruppe

 

NEW YORK--A NewsMax.com/Zogby International poll finds that two-thirds of Americans want Congress to consider a second round of impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton for possibly swapping United States military secrets to China in exchange for campaign cash.
 
Americans overwhelmingly indicated they are seriously concerned that President Clinton may have authorized the sale and transfer of nuclear and ballistic missile technology to China. The national survey of 1,005 registered voters was conducted by NewsMax.com/Zogby last week...

Poll: Two-thirds of Americans Want New Impeachment Review

NewsMax.com

December 21, 1999

 

The Manchurian Candidate?
Or Being There?
 
by Mia T
 
 
The Republicans' latest talking point is that the breach of national security enabled by clinton-gore must be simple incompetence, that the concept that anyone in government would commit treason is too outrageous even to contemplate.
 
If the Republicans believe what they are saying, then they are morons.
If they don't believe what they are saying, then they are traitors.
 
Outrageousness is an essential element of clinton-gore corruption. The clinton (and gore) crimes -- perjury, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, rape, murder -- and now treason -- are so outrageous that they allow clinton hacks to reasonably brand all clinton accusers clinton-hating neo-Nazi crazies.
 
Yet privately few clintonites would deny that bill clinton facilitated China espionage. Their only question: "Why?"
 
Some call clinton a quisling, a Manchurian Candidate, bought off in Little Rock by Riady and company decades ago (and much too cheaply, according to his Chinese benefactors), trading our national security for his political power. This argument is persuasive but incomplete; clinton, a certifiable megalomaniac, is driven ultimately by his solipsistic, messianic world view and by that which ultimately quashes all else -- his toxic legacy.
 
William J. Broad suggests (Spying Isn't the Only Way to Learn About Nukes, The New York Times, May 30, 1999) that clinton had another reason to empower China and disembowel America. Broad argues that clinton sought to disseminate our atomic secrets proactively in order to implement his counterintuitive, postmodern, quite inane epistemological theory, namely, that, contrary to currently held dogma, knowledge is not power after all -- that, indeed, quite the contrary is the case.
 
Broad writes in part:
 
Since 1993, officials say, the Energy Department's "openness initiative"
has released at least 178 categories of atom secrets. By contrast, the
1980s saw two such actions. The unveilings have included no details of
specific weapons, like the W-88, a compact design Chinese spies are
suspected of having stolen from the weapons lab at Los Alamos, N.M. But
they include a slew of general secrets.
 
Its overview of the disclosures, "Restricted Data Declassification
Decisions," dated January 1999 and more than 140 pages long, lists such
things as how atom bombs can be boosted in power, key steps in making
hydrogen bombs, the minimum amount (8.8 pounds) of plutonium or uranium
fuel needed for an atom bomb and the maximum time it takes an exploding
atomic bomb to ignite an H-bomb's hydrogen fuel (100 millionths of a
second).
 
No grade-B physicist from any university could figure this stuff. It
took decades of experience gained at a cost of more than $400 billion.
 
The release of the secrets started as a high-stakes bet that openness
would lessen, not increase, the world's vulnerability to nuclear arms
and war. John Holum, who heads arms control at the State Department,
told Congress last year that the test ban "essentially eliminates" the
possibility of a renewed international race to develop new kinds of
nuclear arms.
 
And the devaluing of nuclear secrets, highlighted by the rush of atomic
declassifications, was seen as a prerequisite to the ban's achievement.
The symbolism alone was potent, officials say. Openness let them
advertise a dramatic new state of affairs where hidden actions were to
be kept to a minimum, replacing decades of secrecy and paranoia.
 
"The United States must stand as leader," O'Leary told a packed news
conference in December 1993 upon starting the process. "We are
declassifying the largest amount of information in the history of the
department."
 
Critics, however, say the former secrets are extremely valuable to
foreign powers intent on making nuclear headway. Gaffney, the former
Reagan official, disparaged the giveaway as "dangling goodies in front
of people to get them to sign up into our arms-control agenda."
 
Thomas B. Cochran, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defense
Council in Washington, a private group that has criticized the openness,
said the declassifications had swept away so many secrets that the
combination had laid bare the central mysteries.
 
"In terms of the phenomenology of nuclear weapons," Cochran said, "the
cat is out of the bag."
 
Even before the China scandal broke, experts outside the administration
faulted the openness as promoting the bomb's spread. Last year, a
bipartisan commission of nine military specialists led by former Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the "extensive declassification" of
secrets had inadvertently aided the global spread of deadly weapons.
["inadvertently" ???!!!!]  
 
The ultimate brake on nuclear advances was to be the Comprehensive Test
Ban Treaty, which clinton began to push for as soon as he took office in
1993, hailing it as the hardest-fought, longest-sought prize in the
history of arms control.
 
Broad would have us believe we are watching "Being There" and not "The Manchurian Candidate." His argument is superficially appealing as most reasonable people would conclude that it requires the simplemindedness of a Chauncy Gardener (in "Being There") to reason that instructing China and a motley assortment of terrorist nations on how to beef up their atom bombs and how not to omit the "key steps" when building hydrogen bombs would somehow blunt and not stimulate their appetites for bigger and better bombs and a higher position in the power food chain...(or, alternatively, to fail to understand that the underlying premise of MAD (mutually assured destruction) is the absense of madness.)
 
But it is Broad's failure to fully connect the dots -- clinton 's wholesale release of atomic secrets, decades of Chinese money sluicing into clinton 's campaigns, clinton 's pushing of the test ban treaty, clinton 's concomitant sale of supercomputers, and clinton 's noxious legacy -- that blows his argument to smithereens and reduces his piece to just another desensitizing clinton apologia by The New York Times.
 
But even if clinton is a thoroughgoing (albeit postmodern) fool, China-gate is still treason. The strict liability Gump-ism, "Treason is as treason does"applies.
 
(The idea that an individual can be convicted of the crime of treason only if there is treasonous intent or mens rea runs contrary to the concept of strict liability crimes. That doctrine (Park v United States, (1974) 421 US 658,668) established the principle of 'strict liability' or 'liability without fault' in certain criminal cases, usually involving crimes which endanger the public welfare.)
 
Calling his position on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty "an historic milestone" (if he must say so himself), clinton believed that if he could get China to sign it, he would go down in history as the savior of mankind. This was 11 August 1995.
 
According to James Risen and Jeff Gerth of The New York Times, "the legacy codes and the warhead data that goes with them" [-- apparently stolen from the Los Alamos weapons lab by scientist, Wen Ho Lee aided and abetted by bill clinton , hillary clinton , the late Ron Brown, Sandy Berger, Hazel O'Leary, Janet Reno, Eric Holder and others in the clinton administration (not to mention congressional clinton accomplices Glenn, Daschle, Bumpers, Harkin, Boxer, Feinstein, Lantos, Levin. Lautenberg, Torricelli et al.) --] "could be particularly valuable for a country, like China, that has signed onto the nuclear test ban treaty and relies solely on computer simulations to upgrade and maintain its nuclear arsenal [especially when combined with the supercomputers that clinton sold to China to help them finish the job]. The legacy codes are now used to maintain the American nuclear arsenal through computer simulation.
 
Most of Lee's transfers occurred in 1994 and 1995, just before China signed the test ban treaty in 1996, according to American officials."
 
Few who have observed clinton would argue against the proposition that this legacy-obsessed megalomaniac would trade our legacy codes for a rehabilitated legacy in a Monica minute and to hell with "the children."
 



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To: JulieRNR21
The graphics don't reside on the FR server. They are on my site.
21 posted on 09/17/2001 12:38:02 PM PDT by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Clinton had the opportunity to lead every day of his two 4 year terms.

All people can lead by example, especially from the most prominent seat in the world; that of the US presidency.

Here's what Clinton taught our people: It's OK to rape, cheat, lie, be selfish, vain, and egotistical.

And he taught our enemies: Do whatever you want to America and it's people, as long as remember to stroke my palm, and don't get in the way of the camera.

Put Matthews on your boycott list, along with ABC and CNN.

22 posted on 09/17/2001 12:40:25 PM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican
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To: Eva
That's no surprise. There has always been rumors about her and Nusbaum (I think?).
23 posted on 09/17/2001 12:41:25 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: Mia T
what was that? Clinton's missile in a camel's butt?

Nice collection of stuff...

Ashland, Missouri

24 posted on 09/17/2001 12:41:49 PM PDT by rface
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To: Mia T
There is a way that Bubba can have his opportunity...do what he failed to do in 1968 and ENLIST (there is plenty of precedent for it: Confederate Gen. "Extra Billy" Smith, a two-time senator and governor of Va., enlisted in the CSA army at the age of 68!). But when Bubba enlists, he should remember the words of Rudyard Kipling:

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women all come to pick your remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier!

25 posted on 09/17/2001 12:43:31 PM PDT by meandog
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To: Mia T
Screw Chris Matthews, I don't watch or read anything he does. Period!
26 posted on 09/17/2001 12:44:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mia T
"Lucky though he was, Bill Clinton never had his shot at greatness...he never got the opportunity George W. Bush was given this Tuesday: the historic chance to lead.

Show your true colors their, Matthews my boy. The greatest tragedy to befall this country and you bemoan Clinton's lack of ability to gain from it? What about, as you put it "his shot at greatnesss" when the USS Cole and American embassies in Africa were bombed. Not high enough of a profile, the body count to low, just what was it?

27 posted on 09/17/2001 12:45:09 PM PDT by DKM
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To: Mia T
Only Bill Clinton would use this tragedy of 5000 Americans murdered by Terrorists as an opportunity to achieve his personal Legacy. And While it makes me sick that Chris Matthews even said this, it is exactly what Clinton would have wanted. I guess killing thousands of Serbian Christians wasn't good enough for ol'Slick Willie.
28 posted on 09/17/2001 12:45:24 PM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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Chris Mathews is a liberal and will never understand leadership. Clinton had opportunities to lead, but chose to follow the polls instead; he decreased funding for defense and security, made only token attempts at dealing with terrorist attacks on Americans. He did not lead.
30 posted on 09/17/2001 12:46:45 PM PDT by Quicksilver
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To: Mia T
I will bet Chris Matthew's testicles that

(1) BUSH would have given anything NOT to have been 'given' this 'opportunity', and

(2) that Clinton WOULD(and tried to) have given anything!

31 posted on 09/17/2001 12:47:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Mia T
Thank God for that !!!
32 posted on 09/17/2001 12:48:45 PM PDT by BrainiusMaximus
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To: Mia T
Matthews is one sick toady. But then only a Democrat Party hack would think in these terms.
33 posted on 09/17/2001 12:49:36 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: arkfreepdom
Agreed. He had eight years to shoot for greatness and instead he shot Monica's dress.
34 posted on 09/17/2001 12:50:22 PM PDT by RichInOC
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To: Mia T
Never got opportunity?

What about the Khobar Towers, the embassy bombings and the USS Cole, for a start. Shooting a two-million dollar missile at an empty ten-dollar tent and hitting a camel in the butt (to borrow a phrase) doesn't count.

35 posted on 09/17/2001 12:51:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring
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To: HELLRAISER II
If Clinton were President we'd be on our way to having an official language, Arabic.
36 posted on 09/17/2001 12:53:27 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: UCANSEE2
As the great Senator Jesse Helms once said,"Well la de da Mr President; you already have your legacy!"

Pray for GW and NY!

God Bless America

37 posted on 09/17/2001 12:56:47 PM PDT by bray
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To: Mia T
Clintigula had his "shot" alright....again and again....and was given all sorts of "opportunities" and "openings"...but given his natural endowment, I don't see how he could have hoped for "greatness."
38 posted on 09/17/2001 12:57:12 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: DuncanWaring
You forgot to add Somolia. There he let our boys get in the worst firefight of the decade, get cut down and in keeping with Matthew's "chance to lead" he slunk away.
39 posted on 09/17/2001 12:57:26 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Mia T
9-11 is the direct result of 8 years of Clintoon foreign policy.
40 posted on 09/17/2001 12:59:24 PM PDT by TheDon
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