Allah Must Be Proud

Free Republic ^ | Sep. 17, 2001 | IronJack

[IronJack]

Cultural cripples wounding the world. All in their god's name.

[Peach]

Informative, well-written; thank you. Bump.

[IronJack]

But of course there is a god who delights in murder.

I usually don't think of Satan as a god, but rather as a demon. I know that in the Christian lexicon there's a demonstrable difference ...

[IronJack]

Thank you.

[Maceman]

Really Excellent analysis, IronJack.

BTW my understanding is that Islam is much younger than 3,000 years old. I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that it is about 800 years younger than Christianity. That is, Mohammed lived 800 years after Jesus.

Does anyone know for sure? I suppose I could look it up on the Internet, but I'm hoping someone who knows will save me the trouble.

[Maceman]

Well, since nobody was going to spoon fed me the answer as to how old Islam is, I went and looked it up myself. Here's what I found on askjeeves.com:

Much has been written about the Prophet Muhammad (saas), from indepth biographies by Muslim scholars and non-Muslim researchers to sayings upon sayings of others. Muhammad ibnu Abdillah was born in Mecca in the year 569 CE. He earned his living as a trader and was known by his people as al-amin (the trustworthy one). When Muhammad (saas) reached the age of 40, the angel Gabriel came to him with revelations that established his prophethood. Muhammad (saas) was first ordered to instruct his immediate family on Islam, including his beloved wife Khadija, but eventually it was revealed to him that he should begin delivering the message to all of mankind. In the next 20 years of his life, he communicated the message of Allah to his people, and set an example for how each human being should lead her or his life. This is especially valuable since Muhammad (saas) is the last Prophet of Allah. In the year 632, the year of his death, the Prophet delivered his famous last sermon.

[VMI70]

BTTT

[AppyPappy]

Islam is an extension of Judaism. They believe in Adam and Eve and Noah and the whole bit. They believe in Jesus though they believe he was merely a prophet.

[AppyPappy]

Ooops.... extension of Judaic and Christian beliefs.

[mykids'mom]

Islam is not an extention of anything biblical, but rather a substitution using the same names and words, but redefining them according to Mohammed's view. Very clever of him to tell us that Muslims worship the same God we do and revere our prophets with ONE little exception--that everything we read about them in Bible is WRONG because the Koran contradicts the Bible. Mohammed taught that Jews corrupted their scriptures and Allah sent Mohammed to overwrite the Bible.

BTW, it is pure coincidence that the only thing all these terrorists have in common is their belief in the absolute veracity of the Koran.

[SpinyNorman]

Since we are dealing with people that have their thinking in the dark ages, perhaps we should go into the basement of the Vatican museum, blow the dust off a few how-to manuals written by Cardinal Richelieu, and show bin Laden what a real inquisition can do. Then cut off his head and sew it into the belly of a pig.

Thumbscrews, anyone?

[CaptRon]

The Koran, as it comes down to us today, is not as it was at the time of Muhammad. The Second Arabian Caliph, Uthmar, "edited" it shortly before his own death and had all original copies burned. It is thought that this was done to polish Muhammad's image, as parts of the original showed his more violent tendencies.

[Aquinasfan]

When Muhammad (saas) reached the age of 40, the angel Gabriel came to him with revelations that established his prophethood.

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 

[Jim Scott]

Cogent, precise analysis. The kind of vanity worth posting. Thanks.

[IronJack]

Good research. Yes, it is my understanding that Islam is at least 600 years younger than Christianity. The internecine warfare that marks the Middle East has its roots in hatreds older than those between Muslim and Christian. But it is that warfare that has held those regions in an iron grip of despair for as long as they've existed.

[IronJack]

I've never read the Koran, so I can't speak to that definitively. But I've seen some disturbing quotations from that book, and am appalled by some of the outrages committed in the name of Allah.

For those who would draw parallels between the Crusades or the Inquisition and today's Islamic jihads, I would point out that the last (Eighth) Crusade was in 1272, and the Inquisition had died out for all practical purposes by the mid-Sixteenth Century. Certainly atrocities were committed in the name of God as well, but not for a good, long time. I don't see any baptist ministers beheading blind Palestinians for owning a prayer rug. And I would bet there are more mosques in America than churches in Saudi Arabia.

[IronJack]

Thank you for the kind words.

[Lady Heron]

"For those who would draw parallels between the Crusades or the Inquisition and today's Islamic jihads, I would point out that the last (Eighth) Crusade was in 1272, and the Inquisition had died out for all practical purposes by the mid-Sixteenth Century. Certainly atrocities were committed in the name of God as well, but not for a good, long time"

I would also point out it was done at a time where only those that could read Latin could read the Bible for themselves.

[IronJack]

I would also point out it was done at a time where only those that could read Latin could read the Bible for themselves.

Which may have interesting parallels in the Islamic world of today. In Afghanistan anyway, the vast majority of the adult population is illiterate. So too in Pakistan. I would guess similar high rates of illiteracy characterize other Islamic countries. That explains their reliance on their "clerics" for interpretation of what passes for scripture. And the most charismatic of those clerics tend to be the political leaders as well. Witness Khomeini.

Ignorance, as usual, is a darkness that stifles the light.