Taliban given three days to hand over bin Laden

CNN.COM ^ | 9/16/2001 | n/a

[Johnny B.]

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Pakistan is to give the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan three days to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden or face U.S. military action.

The ultimatum comes as Pakistan makes eleventh-hour diplomatic efforts to prevent a military strike in the region.

[M. Thatcher]

We have grown-ups in charge, not idiots.

THANK YOU. Great post.

[AdvisorB]

Sneakypete, in fact, youre wrong again when you say that FDR abandoned Asia for about a year after Pearl Harbor. As a student of history and military man, you should know better. The Huon Gulf raid occured in early 1942. It was mounted by the Yorktown and the Lexington after the Japanese Imperial Army had landed at the Huon Gulf on the Papua Peninsula of eastern New Guinea. We struck a rather surprised japanese invasion force, sinking a gunboat, two transports, and a minesweeper. Also three japanese warships were damaged. This was the first coordinated US airstrike from two different carriers.

I have said it is important to strike and to strike now, with the current capabilities at Diego Garcia, and the Indian Ocean. I believe there are targets that we can hit while lifting the spirit and moral of the American people. You disagree. In April of 1942 America pulled off a spectacular raid. Sixteen B-25's flying from the carrier Hornet (in the Pacific I might add) bombed Tokyo. While the naysayers and nervous nellies belittled the raid because we really weren't prepared to attack, and the damage done was slight, it had an enormous psychological impact on the moral of the American people. It was the beginning of the end for the forces of hirohito, and the rising sun.

[AdvisorB]

No, I disagree. I think he is well intentioned. I just think he is wrong on this one.

[sneakypete]

>>I suppose that your hero is Clinton's boy, the purple prince.<<

Who would this be? Half of what you write seems to be in some kind of alien code that is unknown to earthlings.

>>The Powell Doctrine was the closest thing to military intelligence I know of.<<<

HOO,BOY! Given that Powell is a border-line retard who was a straight "D" student in college,this says a lot about YOU.

>>It almost reads like a German military textbook, and Desert Storm was the result.<<

Powell was oppossed to Desert Storm. The work done that you are refering to was mostly done by Schwartzkopf and his staff.

>>Perhaps it is his color that influences your judgement.<<

Powell would still be a idiot,even if he were white. BTW,you can take your "you racist,you!" charges and stick them up your Sharpton. They mean nothing to me,and you can't intimidate me with them.

>>The order to surrender to Saddam before the highways to Baghdad were carpeted in corpses was Bush's, not Powell's.<<

Excuse me,but when did we surrender to Hussein? BTW,I know I have to dumb this down for you,but Bush-1 gave the orders to stop the advance because he was in charge,not Powell. Powell is on record as objecting to the war to start with,and not wanting to fight at all. In fact,nobody can find any record of Powell EVER being willing to fight,and this includes either time he was in VN. Even the South Vietnamese Army couldn't find the slightest excuse to award Powell ANY medal,despite him serving a whole year as a advisor to a SVN infantry unit. He is the ONLY officer or NCO I have EVER heard of who worked with the SVN army who didn't even get a "thanks for being here" medal.

[sneakypete]

>>sneakypete sounds like a French surrender monkey.<<

ROFLMAO! That's GOOD! Tell me,what gave me away?

[Brian Allen]

But he must be gotten rid of. He is a mealy-mouthed blot upon the administration.

If you are talking about Powell,don't worry about him. He will be self-eliminating.

Let us so pray!

For if ever there was a gutless brainless socialist self-styled "African-American" [Son of well-to-do British migrants] walking talking breathing dick-headed mealy-mouthed advertisement for all that is wrong with quota-hiring -- then that gutless brainless socialist self-styled "African-American" [Son of well-to-do Britsh mimigrants] walking talking breathing dick-headed mealy-mouthed advertisement for all that is wrong with quota-hiring -- is it!

[sneakypete]

>>Sneakypete, in fact, youre wrong again when you say that FDR abandoned Asia for about a year after Pearl Harbor. As a student of history and military man, you should know better. The Huon Gulf raid occured in early 1942.<<

To be honest,this is the first I ever heard of this action. The USMC raided Makin Island,too. None the less,a couple of raids doesn't equate to defending the Pacific. King Franklin did abandon them for all practical purposes. Hell,he even called back the relief force headed to Midway Island to reinforce it before the Japanese invaded it.

>> In April of 1942 America pulled off a spectacular raid. Sixteen B-25's flying from the carrier Hornet (in the Pacific I might add) bombed Tokyo.<<

Well,first off,I am REAL glad the Hornet wasn't sailing in the Atlantic when they took off!(G) Secondly,ironically enough I mentioned the "Doolittle Raid" (30 Seconds Over Tokyo was both the book and the movie title) to someone on another thread. What is REALLY odd is that I am remembering it this instant as the "Doolittle Raid",but think it was lead by Billy Mitchell and stated this on the other thread.

>>While the naysayers and nervous nellies belittled the raid because we really weren't prepared to attack, and the damage done was slight, it had an enormous psychological impact on the moral of the American people.<<

That's true,but we aren't dealing with a fixed target or even a official gooberment at THIS time. We are dealing with a terrorist leader and group,and it's important that we make sure we are attacking the right target before we make a move. How impressed would the American people have been if Mitchell had bombed New Zealand?

[AdvisorB]

Some historians have said that JD's raid on Tokyo helped convince the Japanese warplanners to launch their disasterous campaign at Midway. As you well know, Vice Adm. Nagumo launched his attack on Midway in early June of 1942. He sent his 4 aircraft carriers in, and only one came out. The Kaga, Akagi, and Soryu went to the bottem. The Hiryu struggled out of harms way and was able to send out her planes which hit the USS Yorktown. But that's not the end of the story, planes from the Yorktown and the USS Enterprise sent the Hiryu to it's water grave. This was the beginning of the end for the Imperial navy. They lost 4 aircraft carriers and many, many aviators. Midway, indeed, turned out to be the turning point of the naval war in the Pacific. The fat lady was beginning to clear her throat.

[GB]

The die is cast here. If Bush wimps on this in any shape, form or fashion, he might just as well resign because he'd be liable to suffer the first 50-state defeat in American history in 2004.

I personally don't think he will; this is merely a feint. I think the genie is out of the bottle here and can't be put back in. We will do that which we must do to bring about a day of reckoning for this.

[sneakypete]

>>The perfumed prince is Clark.<<

Clark is a psychopath,and should be locked away in a mental institution for the rest of his natural life. That damn fool almost got us involved in WW-3,and WOULD have if it hadn't been for people like the British General Michael Jackson refusing his orders and going public about it.

[duckln]

Put him in a cell next to Milosovic?

Milosovic has been fighting against the Taliban (Kosovo) for years! Why would you want to put an ally in jail with an animal?

[DB]

It took months for Bush Senior to prepare for war with Iraq. At the time our military was much better off and it still took that long. We literally had hundreds of thousands more people in the military and its support structures at the time as well. Much has changed over the Clinton years.

If we don't have our people and equipment in place when we start lobbing things at them then they will start retaliating before we are ready. The people there now but not reinforced would be in great danger. Our understaffed bases in the regions would be in great danger. Cruise missiles cost around one million dollars a piece… Taking out an empty tent like Clinton did is a huge waste of resources. Those cruise missiles will be better used against those countries that support and harbor terrorists like Iraq who have fixed, high value targets that are protected.

I don't need the government to waste millions of dollars on useless cruise missile attacks so I feed better about the situation. I want our government to prepare for war, to gather all the intelligence about our enemies as reasonably possible. I want our government to strike with overwhelming force. We will lead the world to victory in the eradication of these evil organizations or we will parish as a nation. With so much as stake, now is not the time to play feel good games. This is war.

[AlGone2001]

You obviously are a fool, or worse.

Tell us all what you know about it.

[AlGone2001]

In spite of your name, I have always suspected you as a mole.

You need to please provide proof of this. I'll be waiting. I'm sure that over half of the FReepers are laughing at you. Why don't you ask some other Freepers and see what links they can provide to support you.

You can't do any better than that?

[AlGone2001]

Nice try though, Mr. Progrssive.

Please, put your money where your mouth is. You are just like others who talk but can't provide even one source. Please... get busy while I find some popcorn to come back and laugh at you.

[SKYDRIFTER]

I think the first move is to trace the money & secure the bank accounts - by an extreme of intimidation - if necessary.

Next is to set up a terrorist communication / travel monitoring system.

In the same spirit of the first Tokyo raid, the next step would be to reasonably bracket Bin Laden's location & go after that region with, preferably, fuel-air bombs to snuff his candles, then a major round-the-clock carpet bombing of any of his hide-out regions in Afghanistan.

When the Afghanis get hungry and cold; and the Pakistanis can't stop the refugee flow into Pakistan - let them deliver Bin Laden.

Thereafter, monitor the terrorist activity to identify the terrorist cells and sympathizers & take it from there.

In the meantime, America needs to do more thinking and monitoring on the home-front. Awareness & discovery are damned important at home.

Chest-beating won't achieve a thing.

As negative as prejudice is, you can't let the accusation of 'racial profiling' block a hunt for a racial bank of terrorists. If the Muslims don't like it; let them cough up the names & locations.

Afghanistan courts are still hanging onto the aid workers for preaching Christianity - I'm not buying the race card. It's a two-way street.

[Mark17]

Al, let's say the nerds over there, actually hand Bin Laden over to us. Then what? Does he go on trial, and get a life term in a country club American prison? This is not satisfactory. We need to stop treating this as a law enforcement issue. I hope we can avoid innocent people, of course, but I believe we need to see the terrorists in body bags. Life sentences, with cable TV and other nice things, in federal prisons, simply won't cut it.