From the Koran: Every Christian should read.

Myself

[freedom_from_socialism]

From the Quran


2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.”

3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”

3:118: “O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the verses if you understand.”

3:178: “And let not the disbelievers think that Our postponing of their punishment is good for them. We postpone the punishment only so that they may increase in sinfulness. And for them is a disgracing torment.”

5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.”

5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the wrong­doers.”

5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”

8:39: “And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allâh Alone...”

9:23: “O you who believe! Take not for supporters your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the wrong-doers.”

9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

9:34: “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder men from the Way of Allâh. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allâh -- announce unto them a painful torment.”

9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the pious.”

Quran, 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”.

 

[IceGirl2]

This map is frightening. They are converting thousands of men to this illness they call a 'religion'. For those of you who doubt the evil in the Koran, look at the evil that it brings to the people who believe in it. It is a cult idea that appeals to men, who use it as a justificaiton for abusing women. It is a cult that allows them to brainwash their children into hating other cultures. They use all sorts of enticements to get men involved in their programs--sometimes economic, always a bonding group that keeps them together. Once they get a foothold, they corrupt more around them and their intolerance only grows.

We are in danger from these people. There are no 'moderates' muslims. Do not deceive yourselves. They are all dangerous to our way of life because--quite simply--they despise us and our way of life.

[nanomid]

If you consider the Koran as a code of ethics,
a set of rules to live by. You must then accept that
it will have paradoxes. It is guaranteed. No axiomatic
system, not even mathematics, can be without paradox.

So I have no doubt you can argue with yourself all day
long quoting out of the same damn book. Peter Rabbit or
the Koran. It's guaranteed by the real laws. Physics.

[jamits]

While I sympathize with some of the attempt to exonerate Islam from the vicious attacks on Tuesday, in a real theological sense there is a basis for such terrorist action in legitimate interpretations of their theology. Any theology that puts the main source of evil in the world to be external to the human heart thereby suggests that the only obstacles preventing paradise on earth are also external, merely behavioral, and can be remedied by strong political or military action. So if the US is the main obstacle to the implementation of Sharia law worldwide, then the US must be attacked. Hence, though some Muslims may believe that terrorism is specifically excluded by teachings from the Qoran, at a much deeper level Islamic theology encourages the attempt to impose their law on all people and exterminate the sources of resistance.

Go to ChannelNewsAsia and participate in the forum there. You'll see that even the Muslims who claim to denounce the attacks usually end up also denouncing America, trying to get us to "understand" (i.e. sympathize with) the terrorists, and denouncing the just elimination of the terrorists. So even many of the "moderates" end up effectively supporting the terrorists' agenda.

Freep ChannelNewsAsia "your say."

[Stingray]

All the warm-fuzzies represented in the Koran are to be expressed to other Moslems, not to "infidels."

[ET(end tyranny)]

I'm just trying to be fair. Not all Muslims are evil. The terrorists YES, pure EVIL! But you should not judge everyone of them by the actions of some demented people. The ones we are up against YES!! Terrible, horrific evil!

[Stingray]

"So even many of the "moderates" end up effectively supporting the terrorists' agenda."

Which is why we never see a Moslem prosecuted under Islamic Law for killing a Christian or Jew.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Well we didn't exactly treat the Jews to cookies and tea at Massada.

[Stingray]

Bravo! Someone who gets it!

[jamits]

I forgot the specifics but I know that Islam does not prohibit abortion, at least not for the first trimester. I believe the Qoran or the tradition says that the fetus is just a clump of tissue. (Typical for a nonsensical book.) They have abortion on demand in Malaysia (a semi-Islamic nation).

So they're guilty of our sins plus some of their own.

[Centurion2000]

One could find quotes in the Bible that express similar ideas.

Then please post those Bible passages. I want to see where in the Bible it instructs us to lie, cheat, steal rape and murder the infidels.

You cant do it. The closest you will get is and eye for an eye.

[Stingray]

A couple of points:

1.I wasn't at Massada

2. Rome was a pagan, polytheistic nation at that time, not a Christian one,

3. There were no Italian (Roman) Fascists on the planes that plowed into New York and Washington.

Ergo, your point, aside from another lame attempt at moral equivalence is???

[Centurion2000]

Well we didn't exactly treat the Jews to cookies and tea at Massada

Do some more reasearch and you will find that the Romans at that time `70AD were still worshiping Jupiter, Mars, Athena and the Roman pagan pantheon. That was NOT a Christian / Jew war.

[jamits]

Sorry but it's simply the truth that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and that no one goes to the Father but by Him. He said so Himself.

Islam's claims are absurd. Mohammed got basic facts about Christianity wrong (like the constitution of the Trinity) and mangled Bible stories. It teaches that people can be saved simply by diligently obeying the laws of the Koran. Thus it makes evil a matter of behavior (rather than rooted in the heart). Hence anything becomes concievably justifiable in order to stamp out that evil, including the acts we saw last Tuesday.

Speaking the truth about Jesus is NOT "intolerant." But telling Christians that they have to ascribe to modern definitions of pluralism is intolerant and tyranical. Please stop trying to impose your philosophy of religion onto others who want the freedom to follow Jesus.

[mitch5501]

Amen!

[jamits]

Great come back on the Massada nonsense!

May I suggest you visit the web-site of ChannelNewsAsia.com and make some contributions to their "your say" forum. It is kind of tilting toward anti-Americanism.

Regards, John

[nanomid]

We should not be suprised that Islam or any other religion
have texts that it's followers devote themselves specifically
to that religion and also fight others.

Imagine that the memetic complex (religion) is a living organism,
giving up resources is not a strategy for survival.

Additionally, there may be room for only a few memes
to exist in the pre-thought perception screen. A genetic
limitation. These memes give you guilt for looking at boobies
or being hungry during fast and so forth.

There are different chaining mechanisms for the different kinds
of memory. You know of short/mid/long/muscle/
music/etc. Each memory has a particular way in which memeories
can be seated. Noise and other high-entropy messages take up
more neuronal space and take longer to encode/decode.
So each memory type encodes to specific patterns.
Thus music, rhyme, voice timbre, facial recognition, etc.
It just so happens, that symmetry in signal matches low
energy in the real world, and genetic fitness. voila.

But anyway. These organisms must fight over limited resources.
See communism and falon gong in china.
See Islam and free-to-be-non-islam (America)

[DreamWeaver]

bump

For later reading.

[ET(end tyranny)]

What? You mean they weren't listening to Paul? How can that be? Never mind, I already know the answer to that one! LOL

I couldn't recall the name of the fortress, its late.

I'm not saying that we are not up against evil people, we are. We need street gangs! I just hope that we have darn good plans. These terrorists took years in planning, I don't want us jumping into anything until we are thoroughly ready.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Jesus also told us that he was a prophet!

[ET(end tyranny)]

Maybe the concept of the trinity didn't exist at the time? Or maybe someone created the trinity?

Oh heaven forbid anyone follow the Commandments and Laws of G-d. Much easier to use 'grace' card. The Jews believe in following the Commandments and the Law, are they evil too?

Luke 13

33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Luke 24

19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

Mark 6

4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and inhis own house.

Acts 22

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: