Posted on 09/15/2001 10:17:40 PM PDT by farmer18th
When the Children of Israel moved into Jericho, did they walk away after the walls fell down? When William the Conqueror landed at Hastings, did he mop up and then head back to Normandy? When American settlers pushed back savage Indians, did they settle for a few surgical strikes with their Kentucky rifles and then go back home?
If a culture is incapable of sustaining western style representative government, why would we think that replacing a Hussein or eliminating a Bin Laden will solve our long term problems? If a culture is known to produce one charismatic tyrant after another, each with his own version of "America, the Great Satan" rhetoric, why would we think that the war on terrorism could be over, ever?
Isn't it time for a new century of enlightened imperialism? Shouldn't we go over, occupy, and then declare a new homestead act? When Washington fought the French and Indians, his men were promised lands in the Ohio. Shouldn't we promise our boys an oil field or two?
I'm serious. Absolutely serious. Your comments.
It is time to treat them like conquered people for the next thousand years. That is the only way to eliminate terrorists.
I'm saying that we need a sustained war and possible occupation of any Islamic nation that is a haven for fundamentalism. We tear down their institutions and create a liberal democracy out of the remains.
Once we've done that, we can save ourselves time, money, and headaches by heading home and begining to trade with our new allies.
In terms of Japan, they didn't look like such a good candidate back in 1945, believe me. The actually WORSHIPPED their leader. They thought the Emperor was directly descended from the .sun-god. To top it all off, they invented suicide bombing.
Not trying to flame you, friend. Please don't take any of this the wrong way.
The average dude over there may not even mind having Uncle Sam around. They'll probably be hoping America could rescue them.
America could profit off of their resources as well as benefit stratigically.
This is war: we and our allies must conquor & subdue our enemies then institute law & order.
Would you like to explain your idea of what this may be?
(For the record, Christianity is an Asian religion.)
I kind of like "The 51st State - Asskicked-istan."
Heaven on earth. It's the American Way.
I'm not saying it's -- uhh -- ugly, but if God ever wanted to give the earth an enima, it's definately on His short list of places to stick the tube.
Thought it was Afghanistan.
Or else not. Make up your mind.
For instance, you should have known when the Taliban said Oslama "is our guest" that there is no way they will hand him over. In the desert nomad society that Islam came from, you protect your guests with your life even if you don't like them. Remember the story of the visitors that came to visit Lot in Sodom and Gomorra? Lot offered his daughters to the crowd demanding to sodomize "his guests". You fight to the death to protect someone "under your tent". Our hasty diplomacy trapped the Taliban by their own culture. I am not saying they would hand Bin Laudin over anyway, I am just saying the way we asked they could not.
Another thing you have to understand about Afganistan is they are already bombed into the stone age. There are not too many buildings left standing now. They have been in a drought for 4 years, and the average TRUE Afghani is starving to death. The Taliban are nothing but your local Terrorist Islamic mafia family that has wrested control of Afghanistan from the true rulers. The Average Afghani most likely do not even know diddly squat about America. They did not dance in the streets when Americans died, they do not have TV's and the only radio most of them hears is tied to a post in the village square.
If you bomb Afghanistan into dust, will it stop wackos with a handful of high-tech knives? A knife IS a stone age tool! Pay attention to the Israeli's who have lived amongst these enemies for years. You do not stop terrorism by bombing villages, you just create more terrorists. You stop terrorism by attack the source of the terrorism. In Afghanistan’s case it is the Taliban. There is already a civil war going on as the Afghani’s try to free themselves from the Moslem invaders. If we were patient we could do a fly over taking out 50% of their military might (that is about 100% of what you can hope for with a no-ground assault). Then drop a few supplies like food on the freedom fighters, stand back and watch the problem solve itself. Just like Japan and Germany it is not the people in the streets that are the problem, it is the egomaniac's that have wrested control.
However this is going to ignite a far bigger problem, because the problem is not Afghanistan, it is Radical Islam. The reason Afghanistan was chosen to launch the attack from is precisely because there is not much to bomb there. Do not forget that the strings from Oslama are leading back to Syria, Libya, Egypt and most of all Saudi Arabia. Why would Saudi do this, we saved their asses from Saddam? If you can not answer that question, you are fighting the shadows and do not understand the war you are in! Fail to know your enemy and you will be setup.
Think, come on what is the answer? All the money for this operation came from Saudi. The pilots came from all over but "follow the money'>
The answer is this question, where is the block of rock that all Moslems worship? What nation of all nations controls Mecca, the holy city of Islam? That block of rock is the "Holy of Holies of Islam". All Moslems are required to travel to Mecca and walk around that block. Not just Radical Islamic’s, but ALL Moslems. It is one of their five commandments. The root of their religion.
You guessed it, our war is with Islam. Saudi Arabia is THE core of Islam, Radical or Non-Radical version. Islam teaches a very mild, religious purity type of religion until they get big enough in the host country, then out comes the fire and blood conversion speeches. A civil war is started, and one more empire bites the dust. It may take generations to get a big enough foothold, but desert people are very patient. Is not much to do in the desert but sit in the shade and watch the rocks grow.
When this attack goes down, every Islamic nation in the world is REQUIRED to declare war on America by the Koran. They are however NOT required to do so publicly. They are told by the clerics when the truth does not bring about the result you desire a lie is better given to an infidel. Sure we made a coalition in the middle-east in the Gulf War. They even thanked us, and even Kuwaiti declared war on us, BECAUSE AN INFIDEL RAISED HIS HAND TO SMITE A MOSLEM. Backstabbing your allies is a way of life in the dessert, if it had not been for the foundational rule that you protect your guests under your tent with your life, there would be no civilization in the desserts of Arabia. It is the foundation of their society.
You think the Arabs do not know Americans will Rally-Ho to a war? Think again, we are VERY predictable. We do every time in history. Now we have ourselves landing troops in the only ISLAMIC nation that has nukes to invade its ISLAMIC neighbors. Do not forget that Pakistan is one of ONLY THREE nations to recognize the Taliban Authority as the valid rulers of Afghanistan. They are the Taliban’s BEST BUDDIES. Just think, Pakistan with nukes, and the entire forward arm of the American Army landing in one spot there. One nuclear truck bomb and America is defenseless. Think also that China is the only world class nation to align with the Taliban after the Trade Center Bombing. Russia spent 10 years there setting up a puppet government.
I say go get them, but when you see the three greatest historical enemies of America in a huddle, better get your eyes open before you go stumbling in. I personally think this is a trap. If played right, this can set America up for invasion like nothing else ever has.
Show Restraint all right, go into war right before God, with your eyes open and ready for anything. Hunt your enemies down and destroy every one to the last man. But don't get all in a Rage and run off half-cocked trusting in your fancy toys, or you will be predictable and have high losses.
This is going to be a very difficult war, High Tech vs Stone Age. In case you have not noticed this is the arena that High Tech is the least suited and has the least advantage. In this scenario I will trade in a cruise-missile with a nuke for a single marine. The marine will get the job done far better. BUT he has little advantage due to high-tech toys.
This strike against the WTC is a setup. We HAVE to respond, lets think out the opening move well. Keep in mind the the suddenly friendly Russians at the front door are currently probing our air defenses at the back door. These same Russians have signed a mutual treaty against "American Aggression" within the last two years. China has obtained Aircraft carriers. That is a thing they have no use for in invading Taiwan, China is an unsinkable Aircraft Carrier. Aircraft Carriers are for FORWARD force projection. China has secured the panama canal. Plug the canal, nuke the shores of America and send all those Costco ships over to the states under Aircraft Carriers air cover, and you got invasion. The situation in the States is so bad right now that with our army spread out around the world fighting fires, that if you join the National Guard, you get an overseas billet. Who might I ask are going to stop an Invasion if our Main Army is cutoff over seas? What better spot on earth to cut off our Army than little land-locked Afghanistan? Do not forget that the Russians are the worlds best Chess Players.
Read Isaiah 14-19. If the scenario I have shown above happens, and America responds with a full nuclear strike on the offending nations, this prophecy will be fulfilled in its entirety. Many people suspect that Isaiah 18 is the Invasion of America. When is a branch pruned from the vine? When it shows no fruit. When is the shofar blown? In the feast of Trumpets. That time is now, in the next couple of weeks. (Let the reader understand)
Open your eyes boys, this is a setup. Don't step in the trap. I am not saying don't step, just don't step in the trap. Get your hearts right before God, so your eyes will be fully open.
Fascinating post! A prophet named Henry Gruver stated on a 2-1/2 video in...1995, I think...that the Gulf War was a test to see if America would leave its borders unguarded. It did and complaints were that there wasn't a soldier every 150 miles for the border. He said, the next time they do that, their enemies (Russia/China/Arabs) will attack.
These are indeed perilous times.
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