FBI FOREKNOWLEDGE: Laden Suspect (Moussauoi) in OKC Bombings and WTC Attacks Identified &Jailed

Star Tribune (Minneapolis) ^ | September 15, 2001 | David Chanen

[timestax]

bttt

[Campion]

all Muslims are being smeared right along with the perpetrators. That didn't happen to all Catholics, one of whom was McVeigh.

Bogus comparison. bin Laden and gang claim to be fighting America for religious reasons: they want the infidels (us) out of their Muslim holy places, Saudi Arabia and Jerusalem in particular.

As far as I know, McVeigh never claimed to be blowing up the Murrah Bldg. for any reason connected to Catholicism. In fact, I'm really quite certain that religion of any kind was not connected to McVeigh's actions, unless you count his anger over the Waco massacre of the Branch Davidians.

[roughrider]

Freeh "populated" the cells with people he thought the FBI could control and help them "track" the terrorists illegally in the United States. The informants/provacateurs were always double agents, sending disinformation to the FBI, and getting ready to pull a double cross. The problem may even be greater than just mishandling informants. There might be more than just Hanssen who served other powers.

[OKCSubmariner]

For Jim's reply #19

Jim always shows up to "save" the FBI from criticism especially when they get caught not doing their job right- anyone else ever notice this FBI MO and pattern of behavior by Jim?

We have been wondering where Jim has been hiding or lurking lately. He wants to join the party now, wonder why that would be?

I do not respond directly to Jim any longer, because he has proved to be not capable of conducting a meaningful discussion with me and many others on FR for a very long time. The questions I raise with his name are rhetorical questions which he would dodge and never answer even if I sent him a direct reply. The questions are designed to stimulate thought about questions that should be raised by Freepers when types like Jim show up from time to time on FR.

Jim serves a useful purspose of giving me a chance to dispell government propaganda and disinformation for those new to FR that might be reading these threads.

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The TV reporter in OKC has good photos and many good witnesses of the Bin Laden types involved in OKC with McVeigh who helped him construct the bomb in OKC on April 18, 1995 in OKC. Terry Nichols met with Bin Laden types in the Philippines who helped him and McVeigh in the OKC bombing.

Guess what Jim? There were also two other BIn LAden pilot types who trained at the same school with Moussaoui in Norman, close to OKC. One of them was Atta (flew plane into WTC)-heard his name before, huh, pal? What a coincidence all these clowns trained under the FBI noses(they knew it) in OK all these years. Don't worry, the name of the other guy is public so do not need to send your FBI goon friends for a visit since they already know. Ask them for the name if you want, or look it up for yourself.

OKC is the location of a well known Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Bin Laden cell and has been for quite some time. The former chairman of the House Intell Committee, Dave McCurdy, wrote an article about this for the OK Gazette in May 1995 and a number of COngressional staffers have also confirmed this to me. MArtin Keating ,the governor Keating's brother and author of Final Jihad and close to the FBI, confirmed this publicly to me on KTOK radio and in person in 1997 when his book came out.

The FBI, especially FBI agent Dan Vogel,knows in detail about this and has for several years now and he is concerned about the upper level FBI handling of this info. The House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare (James Saxton and Yousef Bodansky)and the Senate Intelligence COmmittee also has the evidence described in the above three paragraphs.

For more confirmation, why don't you contact the resident FR expert on the ME connection to the OKC bombing, BlueDog Demo who worked for the State Department and was at the bomb site with FBI agents? Better yet, how about contacting the Pentagon terrorism advisor, Jesse Clear who will tell you of the ME involvement? Clear lives in Spotsylvania, Virginia and I am sure you can find him with the help of your friends.

Are you just uninformed or a disinformation specialist, Jim?

Keep doubting me Jim and you will either be hurting yourself or you will be helping the enemy. When the FBI starts getting it right, we all will be a lot safer,that is unless you are rooting for the ememy.

What state do you live in, Jim?

Who do you work for, Jim?

Did you ever work on the OKC bomb case for a Federal or a state group? If not, do you know anyone in government or the press who has? If so, who?

Do you know anyone in the FBI, CIA,or BATF, Jim?

Do you know any terrorists, Jim?

Are you a proponent of World Government,Jim?

Are you a proponent of the UN, Jim?

Are you a proponent of gun control, Jim?

Are you in favor of or against Middle Eastern terrorism inside the US, Jim?

Are you satisfied with the FBI/CIA handling of the info involving OKC and the WTC matters? If you defend and condone their bad performance on this Jim, you like them , will look very bad .

Are you for saving and protecting the lives of American citizens from Middle Eastern terrorists Jim?

If you live in the US, the terorists may well be on your doorstep and in your neigborhood, Jim. Are you at least concerned for yourself and family? If not, why not? If you are concerned, what are you doing to protect your family and friends and employer, Hmmm?

[carzieware]

Has anyone else noticed the strong resemblence of this man to "John Doe #2". I have and I couldn't believe no one else was connecting the dots. Will someone else please reply as to whether they think the same.

[sandmanbr]

This from CNN.com

A defense official said the two suspects may have attended Defense Language Academy at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, and the Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama.

[MizSterious]

I think this thread needs a good BUMP! (By the way, I can't seem to find any replies from _Jim to your questions! Wonder why?) *Note, rhetorical question.

[MizSterious]

In case you missed this one!

[Twodees]

By now, the obvious fact that Pat doesn't have anything to gain out of this should have given you pause. What do you have to gain from your dogged disruption of threads?

It's very odd to me that a person would frequent a conservative forum for several years with no apparent purpose except to provide cover for the Clinton administration. Your boy is out of office. Find another hobby.

[MizSterious]

The best place to find info on the school is probably newsok.com, but be forewarned: they charge for accessing the archives. My subscription has run out, or I'd go look some of it up for you. If you feel so inclined, however, it's fairly reasonable--I think something like $25 a month for all you can eat. They have info not found elsewhere on this as well as on the OKC bombing--but there is usually a SLANT to it, as lots of "official" Oklahoma just wishes the truth would go away. OKCSubmariner has reported about that on Free Republic, too.

[MizSterious]

In checking the Google search, I find many of the news stories that came out at the time listed here, including this one: Man detained in New York trained at Oklahoma flight school, which states in the first paragraph:

NORMAN, Okla. -- At any time, the Airman Flight School here boasts about 120 students, one-fourth of them from foreign countries, all hoping to become pilots.

Much more info in the body of the story. Then there's this quote from the Washington Post:

Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony. source

I don't particularly blame the Norman school--they were, I think, following guidelines and trying to make an honest living. I do, however, blame officials that knew some of these men were terrorists, that the bin Ladin group wanted to fly airplanes into important buildings, and never bothered to keep an eye on them. One story suggests there are 500,000 foreigners on student visas here legally--who knows how many are not here legally, and are still plotting terror against our country?

[MizSterious]

I think the reason I keep harping on these particular students at Norman is that the feds have known since April 19, 1995 (and probably well before) that there were terrorist cells in OKC and Norman, and that, in fact, some of those training at the flight school were members of those cells. Add that to the knowledge of what bin Laden wanted to do--why wouldn't they watch these particular ones? Two weeks before Sept. 11th, the feds were asking questions about some of these "students" at the Norman flight school. Foreknowledge is an understatement.

[OKCSubmariner]

More info on Moussaoui from Time.com

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/shannon/article/0,9565,187541,00.html

Why the FBI Sweats Through Ramadan

by Elaine Shannon

Saturday, Dec. 08, 2001

Al Qaeda's 'Night of Power'?

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The Case Against Moussaoui

When Zacarias Moussaoui was arrested in Minnesota last August on immigration violations, sources say, he had in his possession the telephone number and address of Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemeni student in Hamburg. Those meager notes and a money transfer are at the center of the terrorism conspiracy case federal investigators are building against the mysterious French-Moroccan.

FBI agents believe that Binalshibh, a.k.a. Ramzi Omar, is a dedicated terrorist who planned to join his Hamburg roommates Mohammed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehi and their frequent companion Ziad Al Jarrah as the 20th hijacker in the September 11 terror attacks. Binalshibh had registered at the Florida Flight Training Center, attended by Jarrah but was denied a visa because the State Department feared a poor Yemeni would remain in the U.S. illegally. (Atta, a middle class Egyptian with a good command of English, had no problem obtaining visas, nor did the other hijackers — 15 Saudis, two UAE citizens and one Lebanese.)

According to sources familiar with the FBI investigation, Binalshibh, left behind in Hamburg, sent money to Moussaoui in Norman, Okla., where the French-Moroccan was attending flight school. Curiously, though, agents have found no trace of contacts between Moussaoui and Atta or any of the other 18 hijackers. If Moussaoui was a member of another Al Qaeda cell, as investigators suspect, where's the rest of it? Most urgently, is a plot still afoot? These are the questions the FBI and its European allies are scrambling to answer.

Moussaoui, in custody in New York, may soon be indicted, but he isn't talking. The FBI hasn't found evidence of suspected collaborators in the U.S., nor any reservations to travel abroad. Binalshibh, agents believe, knows all about Moussaoui as well as Atta's group, but he vanished from Hamburg just before September 11. The Germans have charged him with terrorism conspiracy, along with two other Atta-Binalshibh buddies, both Moroccans, who have also disappeared. The FBI has quietly positioned agents within a short flight of Afghanistan, hoping Binalshibh and his pals will turn up alive and tractable in a POW round-up.

[Twodees]

Thanks, Pat. This gets more interesting, doesn't it?

[AuntB]

Bumping for a later read......gets curiouser and curiouser, huh?

[thinden]

According to sources familiar with the FBI investigation, Binalshibh, left behind in Hamburg, sent money to Moussaoui in Norman, Okla., where the French-Moroccan was attending flight school.

since binalshibh got bumped from the flight, was moussaoui his backup?

p.s. was moussaoui was in norman in 94 - 95?

[thinden]

Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official.

you might want to check out BJ's link in post #34.