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'ANGUISHED' MUHAMMAD ALI RIPS SAVAGES AS DISGRACE TO ISLAM
New York Post ^ | 9/15/01 | CATHY BURKE

Posted on 09/15/2001 2:42:40 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:00:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: ethical

To: AppyPappy
The Koran has been seen by a great many Muslims as a divine order to engage in all kinds of violent activities. I have looked at it and can understand why they would think that. Why do you conclude they are greatly misinterpreting it?

Forget it. You won't get an answer from Appy that isn't either loaded down with emotionalism, epithets, or arguments of moral equivalency between Muslims and Christians.

He was shown - in no uncertain terms - what the Koran says about Christians and Jews last night, and is still in denial. I dare suspect that he was one of several who was instrumental in having many such posts deleted. Don't press him on the issue, or he'll bang the abuse button on you, too.

Suffice it to say that you are right, but don't look for any concession from FR's current cadre of Islamic apologists.

In the meantime, spread the word.

141 posted on 09/15/2001 6:03:57 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: AppyPappy
And he believed in violence against Israel and anyone who supports it. And he was a Christian.

Uh, scusa me. You mean he CLAIMED he was a Christian. No Christian in his right mind goes against Israel. That might sound like they get a free pass, but that's the way it is.

142 posted on 09/15/2001 6:15:34 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: AppyPappy
Sudan Persecution

"What we saw and heard and touched is the material for nightmares, a human hell," reported an American Episcopal priest returning from a January 1998 trip to Sudan.

The country of Sudan, already enduring seemingly endless civil war, is being devastated by a jihad led by the militant Islamic regime in Khartoum. Their tactics include aerial bombardment of citizens, scorched earth and destruction of livestock, forced displacement of over three million people, abduction, imprisonment, torture, execution of men, abduction and enslavement of women and children, and forced Islamization and conscription. The government justifies its reign of terror and Sudan persecution by claiming that it is a "divine mission" in the name of Allah.

By their own admission, militant Muslims see Sudan persecution as only the first step in an attempt to impose their brand of radical Islam all the way to the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa.


Albania girl pays for her faith with her life

As she began studying God's Word last year, Zana Gjoni, a young Albanian girl, appealed to her Muslim friends and neighbors to commit their lives to God. She began a letter with Peter's words in Acts 3:19 - "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out...."

Zana was confident her own sins had been wiped clean when she accepted Christ as her Savior.

Zana eagerly learned more and more about Jesus, accepting Him as Lord and Savior of her life. Her once-dark life now shone brightly with God's love. But there were those around her who would not accept the change in her life, her love for the Lord. They threatened her - and on August 9, 2000, they raped and killed her.


Christians in Indonesia are fleeing for their lives as Muslim jihad warriors continue their latest plans to bring all Indonesia under Islamic "sharia" law. In Ambon, the terrorist group Laskar Jihad Ahluss Sunnah Wal Jamaah is now ready to pursue a Jihad mission in Poso, central Sulawesi. A banner on the web site of the Laskar Jihad (www.LaskarJihad.or.id) promotes violence and incites Muslims to join the ranks of the jihad to fight against the Christians in Poso, throughout Indonesia and beyond.

Islamic extremists try to justify their actions on the Koran: "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful" (Sura 9:5).

Intolerance toward Christians has again been demonstrated in Saudi Arabia where 14 Christians have been detained in recent weeks and Afghanistan where more than 50 Christians (including Muslim accomplices) have been detained - for no other reason than they are Christians whose faith cannot be tolerated.


(July 25, 2001 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) The government of Saudi Arabia appears to be launching a major sweep of Christians in the city of Jeddah. At 12:00 midnight Wednesday, July 25 five agents of the Ministry of Interior (MOI) once again raided another home of a Christian suspected of leading home meetings at which Christians gather for prayer and Bible study.

Eskinder Menghis, an Ethiopian working in Saudi Arabia, was awakened along with his wife and three children as MOI agents entered the family's home. The agents gathered up Bibles, books, family photos, video and audio tapes as they forced Eskinder to go to police headquarters for interrogation.

Eskinder's name was on a list containing several names and addresses of Christians living in Jeddah who were on a computer taken when MOI agents conducted a late night raid on the home of Prabhu Isaac a week ago today. He was subjected to psychological torture until the names of the Christian leaders of the home meetings were extracted from him. Prabhu is from India and has worked in a hospital in Jeddah for the past 17 years. He remains under arrest in the Farifia Prison. His wife has made a tearful appeal for help in getting her husband out of prison, but so far no government has been willing to intervene, including the United States.


Yep, a real "peace-loving" bunch, I'd say.

BTW, how many Islamic terrorists have been put on trial and executed in Islamic nations for killing Jews or Christians?

Didn't think so...

143 posted on 09/15/2001 7:04:05 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: Stingray
Maybe we should put them in concentration camps. Who will be next on your list? Jews? You sound like those people who wanted to wipe out the militia groups after the OKC bombing.
144 posted on 09/16/2001 5:01:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

"Maybe we should put them in concentration camps. Who will be next on your list? Jews?

When the Jews attack our sovereign soil and kill thousands of our people, then we'll have that discussion. In the meantime your arguments of moral equivalence are petty, childish, and tiresome, and show you to be incapable of a level of thought any greater than that of any other liberal hand-wringer or pants-wetter.

Why don't you take your liberal blather to a Democrat site, where they will appreciate it?

145 posted on 09/16/2001 8:41:54 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: Havoc, ALL
I would like to apologize to the people on THIS thread, my post to Havoc was ment for another thread "An echo from Christendom's past". By mistake I reasponded to him here and I am sorry for any misunderstanding that may have caused.
147 posted on 09/16/2001 10:41:39 AM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Carolinamom
I totally agree. he just got smart-alecky with me on another thread. This apparently is one of them Democrat disruptors.
148 posted on 09/16/2001 3:19:27 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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Well, good for Ali. I'm not a fan of his politics, but this was a good act and we should encourage and applaud similar ones from muslims.
149 posted on 09/18/2001 9:44:24 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: AppyPappy
Word :)
150 posted on 09/21/2001 6:23:36 AM PDT by bluester
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To: BunnySlippers
Where's Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Have they no healing, unifying message for their followers?

I've been wondering this, too. Do you suppose they got ahold of some anthrax vaccine and are holed up in a cave somewhere in Colorado waiting for it to kick in?

152 posted on 10/25/2001 5:46:00 AM PDT by calmseas
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To: LeftyStomper
amen...and a mega bump!!!!
153 posted on 10/25/2001 2:13:52 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wireplay
Is WWIII really what you want? Why don't the armchair killers on this thread state down EXACTLY what steps they would like to take. No need for theory. Give us some good tactical suggestions.

OK here goes...like Bush said you are either with us or with them.

Islamists function cohesively in a number of nations.

From East to West:

Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq (special case), Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Sudan, Somalia, some sub_Saharan African nations.

We should thru whatever means necessaary destroy their terrorist infrastructure in these places either with a "coalition" or alone if need be.

Chechnya and the Quasi-Stans can be dealt with by Putin...in fact I hope he's eliminating Jihadists in Chechnya as we speak.

Withdraw our forces from Bosnia and Greater Albania now...we should never have been there to begin with. The Serbs have been fighting Islamists for nearly a millenium.

If the so called moderate oil states have a problem then we simply take their oil and install better behaving puppets.

Yep...long and bloody(better their's than ours) but we can win and erase this scourge for at least several generations and maybe even help these folks learn to live under representational government instead of despots. What's happening now is nothing more than what was started when the Prophet first took up the sword in behalf of his "peaceful" religion.

Oh yes and by all means unleash Israel to defend herself as she sees fit.

Any further questions?

6000 dead US civilians and anthrax in our mail system is enuff for me....not to mention all the crap we've endured from these peaceful folks the past 40 years. I'm a wee old for the military but I will do whatever I'm called upon to do. I spent a large chunk of my adult life in insurgency and war torn regions as a civilian and can still "nut up" if need be.

154 posted on 10/25/2001 2:44:11 PM PDT by wardaddy
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