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The Clintons, Abdurahman Alamoudi, and the Myth of "Moderate" Islam (READ THIS!!!!)
NEWSMAX ^ | 11-6-2000 | Lawrence Auster

Posted on 09/14/2001 7:01:23 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican

When Abdurahman Alamoudi, friend and sometime adviser on Islamic affairs to Hillary Rodham Clinton, stood before a Muslim crowd in Lafayette Park across from the White House this week and passionately declared his support for the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, he was revealing the true face of "moderate" Islam. He was also revealing the blindness, or rather the willful complicity, of America's political elites, particularly the Clintons, who have welcomed these Islamic "moderates" into our midst and helped raise them to important positions of influence in American life.

As revealed in last Friday's New York Daily News, Alamoudi, shortly before he began to work for the Clinton State Department in 1997 as a "goodwill ambassador" to Muslim countries, told the Islamic Association of Palestine in Chicago on December 29, 1996:

"I think if we are outside this country, we can say oh, Allah, destroy America, but once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it. There is no way for Muslims to be violent in America, no way. We have other means to do it. You can be violent anywhere else but in America."

In other words, whether by violent means from outside our borders or by nonviolent means from within our borders, the aim of Muslims is to destroy America. This message, which presumably Alamoudi delivered to Muslims in other countries as well as here, did not prevent a State Department official from saying this week that Alamoudi has had "overwhelmingly positive evaluations from our missions abroad."

Looking beyond the current flap over Hillary Clinton's return of a $1,000 campaign donation to Alamoudi and of $50,000 to a related Muslim group, the full extent of Alamoudi's relationship with the Clintons, going back several years, has not been widely reported.

As recounted by Steven Emerson in the March 13, 1996, Wall Street Journal, Alamoudi, then the executive director of the American Muslim Council, had repeated high-level contacts with the Clinton White House in late 1995 and early 1996, which happened to be the period immediately preceding the suicide bombings in Israel in early 1996. On November 9, 1995 he met with President Clinton and Vice President Gore at a meeting with 23 Muslim leaders at the White House. On December 8, National Security Adviser Anthony Lake met at the White House with Alamoudi and several board members of the American Muslim Council. On February 8, 1996, Mrs. Clinton wrote a newspaper column based on talking points provided by Alamoudi. And on February 20, 1996 (only a few days before the first Hamas bombing of the Number 18 bus in Jerusalem), Mrs. Clinton had Alamoudi's group draw up the Muslim guest list for a White House reception marking the end of the Muslim holy period of Ramadan, the first time such an event had ever been held at the White House.

Then, after the suicide bombings in Israel by Hamas (which, according to John Kifner in the March 15, 1996, New York Times, received crucial support from the Muslim community in the U.S. whose financial aid included assistance to the families of suicide bombers), President Clinton organized an "anti-terrorism" conference with Middle East Arab leaders, among them the same "moderate" leaders who supported the terrorist groups.

The American Muslim Council's ties with terrorists predated its intensive contacts with the Clinton White House in 1995 and 1996. The AMC had co-sponsored several conferences in the U.S. with a Hamas organization started by Musa Abu Marzuq, the Hamas leader who took responsibility for organizing suicide attacks against Israelis. The AMC had also arranged visits to the U.S. by Middle East militant groups such as the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood, and it also had a "special relationship" with the government of Sudan, which the U.S. had declared a terrorist regime.

Tolerant, "right-thinking" Americans are not supposed to notice any of this. We're not supposed to let the thought enter our heads that this tells us anything about the integrity of the Clintons, or about Israel's prospects for survival, or even about the fate of Western society as a whole, which has admitted millions of Muslim immigrants over the last several decades.

The politically correct line today is that Islamic radicals are only a "tiny minority" among American and other Western Muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom, we are assured over and over, are not extremists.

But even as the so-called moderate Muslims deny that they have any connection with extremists, they always seem to defend those same extremists.

In Steven Emerson's 1995 documentary "Jihad in America," a spokesman for the Islamic Committee for Palestine in Tampa, Florida, told an interviewer that his group had no alliance with terrorists. But when asked about Sheik Abdel-Rahman, the blind cleric who organized the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 and who also had spoken at a conference sponsored by this same Tampa group, the spokesman replied that Sheik Rahman was not a terrorist, but a "conservative."

The "moderate" Alamoudi has used a similar logic. When Musa Abu Marzuq was arrested by the FBI in July 1995, Alamoudi said Marzuq had never been involved in terrorism, adding that Marzuq's arrest was an "insult to the Muslim community."

Even Marzuq used the same defense. When "Sixty Minutes" reporter Steve Croft asked the jailed terrorist, "If a man straps a bomb on his body, gets on a bus and blows himself up along with 30 Israelis, is that terrorism?" Marzuq insisted that such an act was not terrorism.

This mind-set, so incomprehensible to Westerners, was on full display on a special segment of the "Charlie Rose" program immediately following the PBS airing of "Jihad in America" in 1995. The documentary included shocking footage of Islamic radical groups in America. Abdul Zindani of Hamas in Brooklyn was seen calling for "killing and finishing off" the "idol worshippers." Muslim radicals were shown meeting in Kansas City, Missouri, and a dozen other Middle American cities, spewing hatred of America and praising murder and terrorist acts.

One videotape of a meeting in New Jersey in 1993 showed Muslims chanting "we want the blood of Jews." In videos of Muslim summer camps in the U.S., young kids were saying "butcher the Jews." A man named Abdulla Azzam was shown speaking in Oklahoma City, Brooklyn, Atlanta, and Lawrence, Kansas, urging holy war against the West.

Instead of denouncing these barbaric calls to violence by American Muslims, the respectable "moderates" on the Charlie Rose panel – Clinton ally Abdurahman Alamoudi among them – all denounced the documentary for provoking anti-Muslim feeling. Alamoudi insisted that Hamas is not a terrorist group. Most amazingly, he and his fellow "moderates" said that Americans should not feel threatened by extremist leaders addressing large Muslim audiences in this country calling for "Jihad of the sword" and chanting "Kill the Jews, kill the Christians."

Attempting to explain away that murderous rhetoric, another well-known "moderate" on the panel, the late Mohammed Mehdi of the American Muslim Committee (a frequent guest on William Buckley's "Firing Line" over the years), said that Muslims habitually use hyperbole, such as "I'll kill your grandfather," but that it doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't take it seriously.

But the ineluctable problem remains: If the members of a certain group routinely engage in or approve of such bloodthirsty threatening language, how can they realistically be expected to be participants in a Western democratic society based on common allegiance to reason and the rule of law?

And how can any Western society survive the inclusion of large numbers of such people in it?

Thanks to the "moderates" themselves, we now understand some basic truths about Muslims, notwithstanding the contemporary notion that it is bigoted and racist to judge the Muslim community as a whole by the "tiny number" of extremists among them.

First, Islamic "moderates" deny that groups like Hamas are terrorists.

Second, Islamic "moderates" deny that preachers and mobs chanting "Kill the Jews, butcher the Christians" should be seen by Americans as a threat.

Third, Islamic "moderates" do not oppose the extremists, but show solidarity with their extremist fellow Muslims; make excuses for them; bitterly denounce American journalists for publicizing the existence of these groups; and, most significantly, describe any attempt by America to defend itself from Islamic terrorism as an expression of "anti-Muslim" bias.

In making this last argument, the "moderates" on the Charlie Rose panel didn't seem to realize what they were revealing about themselves and the community they represent: If opposing Islamic terrorism is anti-Muslim, then Islam is indeed inseparable from terrorism. Alamoudi and his fellow "moderates" thus provided a more profound indictment of Islam than anything in Stephen Emerson's chilling documentary about the extremists.

The "moderate" Muslims' insistence that Americans must see nothing, say nothing and do nothing about Muslim terrorists in our midst should give us an idea of what life will be like in this country when Muslims achieve real political power here. Thanks to the Clintons in particular and the U.S. political establishment in general, and thanks most of all to America's suicidal immigration policy of the last 35 years, America's quickly growing population of Islamic "moderates" have already started to acquire such power.

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This needed posting.
1 posted on 09/14/2001 7:01:23 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: alamo-girl, JohnHuang2, MindBender26
2 posted on 09/14/2001 7:02:32 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: lazamataz, nachum, veronica, truebeliever9, registered, rintense
3 posted on 09/14/2001 7:03:40 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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This needed posting.

And a little bumping wouldn't hurt, either...

4 posted on 09/14/2001 7:07:42 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
I had forgotten Hillary Clinton and the extremists donation. Eagles up bump.
5 posted on 09/14/2001 7:13:57 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
thanks friends.
6 posted on 09/14/2001 7:19:08 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: oldironsides, Uncle_Bill, Inspector Harry Callahan, John Robinson
FYI. Lets get to the bottom of this.
7 posted on 09/14/2001 7:20:07 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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This needed posting.

It certainly did, it needs printing as well.

I had no idea the relationship between the terrorists and the Clintons was that close, not that one should be surprised, guess it made it very easy to get NATO to do the muslim's bidding, still can't figure out how the enemies of the US, talked the US into handing them the Balkans.

8 posted on 09/14/2001 7:23:27 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Good Find!

It is easy to see how this got overlooked when originally written (the day before the 2000 election).

10 posted on 09/14/2001 7:31:48 AM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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11 posted on 09/14/2001 7:48:25 AM PDT by toenail
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
12 posted on 09/14/2001 7:48:27 AM PDT by toenail
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To: toenail
Please forward this to the media and request that they investigate. I sent it to Wash Times, Drudge, & NY Post
13 posted on 09/14/2001 8:15:01 AM PDT by mgist
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Are any of our media red blooded enough to ask the pig senator about this connection during one of her many press conferences?

Her and schumer on my tv make me too angry for words. Watch them scramble, this is just another media opp.

14 posted on 09/14/2001 8:16:42 AM PDT by Mike K
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Americans need to steel themselves for this war. Make no mistake, it is now a war that touches eveyrone of us. We need to look at the evil straight in the eye and deal with it.

This is a good post. It needs repeating, and often in light of the next attempt on American lives. The trial we are facing here is only just beginning.

15 posted on 09/14/2001 8:26:42 AM PDT by Nachum
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In re: Moderate Muslims, Moderate Islam:

Here is my personal experience. I lived an worked in an Arab country and wanted to learn Arabic. My teacher was an Egyptian engineer, who I soon learned was also an advisor and teacher of English to many natives, with a reputation for wisdom and devotion to Islam.

I was asked about my religion many times by people who seemed to know a great deal about it. One cannot learn Arabic without learning a great deal about Islam. Just as I imagine someone learning Latin in 9th Century Sweden would probably have been pressured to be baptized in the faith, I was asked to convert many times as I studied Arabic. I was even offered a sizable monetary bonus!

Islam is an Old Testament religion, which is well known. However, it also reveres the New, which may not be so well known. In addition to Abraham, Muslims also revere Christ as a Prophet and some, especially in Egypt and Syria, revere Mary as His Virgin Mother. Mohammed was first recognized as The Prophet by a Christian Monk. Like Christ, Mohammed lived in his youth as an exile in Egypt. (Unlike Christ, it is said he fathered children with a Christian woman there, named Mary!) The paralells between Judaism, Christianity,and Islam would surprise many Americans.

The incredibly vague and wandering Koran and the commentaries upon it, are where Islam and the two older faiths part company. I constantly brought up the Muslim attitude toward Infidels (us). And here is what I was told,"We all pray to the same God.Jews and Christians pray in the wrong way,which dishonors Allah. But Allah the Merciful is willing to accept you as converts. But to be against Islam is to be against Allah. Allah is patient and we realize that many must come to Islam through study."

"However, if one is given many chances to come to Allah, but persists in obdurately refusing the opportunity, the patience of Allah wears out, and those who harden their hearts against Him must be punished."

A moderate Muslim is one whose patience with us has not yet worn out!

There is no one great central authority in Islam, but many. Although practices among the Sunni, Shia, and among the non-Arab Muslims are quite different, basic beliefs don't vary much amongst them: Among some of their beliefs is that those whom they kill in a holy war, the JIHAD will serve them as slaves forever in Paradise.

We Ecumenical American Christians are "live-and-let-live" crowd. The doctrinal differences over which our ancestors killed each other in centuries of battle, are now forgotten to the point where we share communion and each other's churches. It's gotten to the point where even the Pope has acknowledged that the Jews are our spiritual fathers, apologized to the Orthodox, admitted that Luther had a valid doctrinal point, and regulary ordains Anglican priests into the Roman church!

Islam is completely separate from all this fellowship stuff. In all fairness, as in any religion, there is a range of interpretation. But, at its core, Islam is not a tolerant religion as an American would understand the term. To protest otherwise, as all these American Muslims are now doing, is patent nonsense. (Prove me wrong, fellow Americans of the Muslim persuasion. Start a committee to end slavery and the slaughter of Christians in the Sudan.)

The collective mind of Islam, which in many ways, seems curiously stuck around the 12th Century, may just be now turning to its version of the Crusades. Or perhaps, unlike us, they simply never fogot.

16 posted on 09/14/2001 8:42:09 AM PDT by Francohio
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To: Nachum, MindBender26
17 posted on 09/14/2001 8:44:48 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Scummy little senate troll from NY bump.
18 posted on 09/14/2001 9:11:48 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
We should stay out of the Middle East entirely or punish all the terrorist nations not just some:
Author and NRA Life Member Tom Clancy about the USS Liberty
Tom Clancy in his book "The Sum of All Fears":

The key to it, Qati knew, was whether or not the
Americans would put real pressure on the Zionists.
They'd never done so. They'd allowed the Israelis
to attack an American warship and kill American
sailors--and forgiven them before the bleeding
had stopped, before the last victim had died. When
American military forces had to fight for every
dollar of funds from their own Congress, the same
spineless body of political whores fell over itself
giving arms to the Jews.

19 posted on 09/14/2001 9:18:17 AM PDT by luvzhottea
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Her husband thought that he could negotiate with terrorists like Arafat. We had a bunch of clueless idiots in the White House.
20 posted on 09/14/2001 9:36:42 AM PDT by boycott
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