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Joe Conason: No Vast Missile Shield Could Have Prevented This
The New York Observer ^ | September 17, 2001 | Joe Conason

Posted on 09/14/2001 4:11:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: ignatz_q
The reason to abandon NMD is that it's a sham. NMD is writing a big blank check to companies that defrauded us in the past. It does not work, and it will not work.

As you're such an expert on missile defense, perhaps you would be good enough to explain to us lesser mortals exactly what features of the current NMD architecture are lacking, from a technical standpoint. Please keep it non-technical.

61 posted on 09/14/2001 6:20:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: JohnHuang2
The LIBERALS are scurrying for cover and dropping misinformation turds on their way out the door.

Well said!! How true!

Bump to you JH2

62 posted on 09/14/2001 6:28:08 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: mc5cents
Opps - I was only quoting Cincinatus' Wife's SPOT ON remarks back at her. =^)
63 posted on 09/14/2001 6:39:22 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Hey Joe, one word. DUH!!!!!
64 posted on 09/14/2001 7:02:53 AM PDT by mdcen (renorris@carr.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is there a truly Christian way to say that I wished people like Joe Conason, Michael Moore, Gene Lyons and others with the same anti-American views were the ones killed in the attack and not hardworking men and women that make this country great? Perhaps not. I guess that would put me at their level.
65 posted on 09/14/2001 7:08:10 AM PDT by 1L
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To: Peach
A condom could have prevented Joe Conason.
66 posted on 09/14/2001 7:18:38 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Is this pusillanimous little bastard still around? I thought he had brown-nosed his way so far up Clinton's anal orifice that he'd disappeared from sight.

--Boris

67 posted on 09/14/2001 7:21:37 AM PDT by boris
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Joe Conason's strategy is to lose a couple of cities to nukes and then determine if we need a missile shield. I think his stupid mantra of "NMD wouldn't have stopped this " is wrong.
If we have orbital lasers that could take out ballistic missiles then it could be easily modified to down a terrorist controlled airplane. It could stop it faster than we could scramble a fighter to stop it.
68 posted on 09/14/2001 7:27:30 AM PDT by Brett66
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To: Cincinatus
What you're asking is somewhat impossible since there is no existing NMD architecture, however...

The primary reason that NMD is a waste of money is because it is not being developed to meet real-world conditions. Every test conducted, and every test planned (including post-"deployment") do not include the types of countermeasures that any ICBM-capable state would deploy as part of a missle attack.

You would think that conducting these tests under such simplified and unrealistic conditions would at least result in a good testing track record, right? Wrong. Even the last successful test was rigged by putting a homing beacon in the simulated attack vehicle.

Another major problem with the proposed NMD solution is that it is only designed with the existing missle states in mind, and is geared to be specifically effective against their warheads. But the supposed threat is against so-called "rogue" nations who are still developing their own technology. NMD, as proposed, will not be able to intercept those weapons.

Overall, the program has another major flaw. There is no independent review process with any authority to address problems with the value and validity of the tests conducted. The program is not based on science, it is based on wishful thinking that ignores the real-world variables. After moving from an R&D scenario to a develop-to-deploy scenario, this problem only intensifies.

You cannot conduct effective research if the only people who can call the shots are advocates of the technology, or companies that stand to make a buck (actually, billions and billions of bucks) by building it.

Perhaps I did overstate my case slightly, in the sense that NMD might conceivably work is allowed to be developed as technology should be -- with scientific principles. But developed as government pork, the system has as much chance of working as a national health plan.

NMD is a black hole fiscally, and maybe a black hole technologically. As recent events have demonstrated, this may not be the time to squander money on pipe dreams and contractors who have -- I repeat -- defrauded this country on missle defense programs in the past.

69 posted on 09/14/2001 7:46:16 AM PDT by ignatz_q
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I want a vast protective shield against Conason and his kind.

Vaudine

70 posted on 09/14/2001 7:53:36 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Brett66
If we have orbital lasers that could take out ballistic missiles then it could be easily modified to down a terrorist controlled airplane. It could stop it faster than we could scramble a fighter to stop it.

Probably no modifications would be needed. A commercial airliner is a much larger and slower target than a ballistic missile.

71 posted on 09/14/2001 7:55:43 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And tanks are useless against destroyers, and the electric chair doesn't prevent hurricanes.

The man's an imbecile.

72 posted on 09/14/2001 8:05:39 AM PDT by dighton
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To: ignatz_q
Even the last successful test was rigged by putting a homing beacon in the simulated attack vehicle.

Check your facts. The latest test was of the interceptor's terminal guidance package only. Do you understand? The terminal guidance package ONLY. The beacon was used to get the interceptor in the ballpark so that the terminal guidance package could take over and hit the missile, which it did. The interceptor did NOT use the beacon to hit the missile.

Another major problem with the proposed NMD solution is that it is only designed with the existing missle states in mind, and is geared to be specifically effective against their warheads. But the supposed threat is against so-called "rogue" nations who are still developing their own technology. NMD, as proposed, will not be able to intercept those weapons.

Totally illogical. How can you say NMD won't work against a type of missile that you admit doesn't exist yet? Do you have the design specs for them?

73 posted on 09/14/2001 8:06:23 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Memo to Joey: As is my practice, I always stop by FR threads of your articles. Frankly, I can never get past the the first few sentences of your pap. In any event, I would again say that you are a punk, an empty suit, an intellectually bankrupt wannabe, a Clinton Sink and a loser. Many of your peers think the same and laugh about you. A thesaurus does not a commentator make. I know you'll keep living in your fantasy world and that is fine. Thankfully, your efforts are for naught as most Americans have never heard of you and of those that have, the vast majority is not impressed nor swayed.
74 posted on 09/14/2001 8:08:53 AM PDT by eureka!
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75 posted on 09/14/2001 8:10:49 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ignatz_q
Perhaps I did overstate my case slightly,

No kidding.

in the sense that NMD might conceivably work is allowed to be developed as technology should be -- with scientific principles. But developed as government pork, the system has as much chance of working as a national health plan.

Your categorical statement is one of faith, not fact. What evidence do you have that the current NMD program is NOT being conducted scientifically? Rigged tests? We are at a very low state of technical readiness -- one must crawl before one walks. Just because countermeasures exist now that are not accounted for in potential NMD architectures does not mean that such measures cannot be envisioned or developed. If by "independent scientific review" you mean NRC committees or "experts" from the Federation of American Scientists, don't make me laugh -- these guys are nothing but political ideologues, dressed up as "technical experts." If there's one thing we should have been taught by the twentieth century, it's that the phrase "it can't be done" ought to be used with extreme caution. A smarter move might be to avoid using it all together.

As for your comments on government "pork," they might be applicable to numerous, failed social mega-programs, but such "pork" has had some considerable success in the technical arena -- the Manhattan Project, Apollo, and the Panama Canal, to give just a few examples.

The simple fact is that the Constitution charges the federal government to defend the country against ALL threats. We should prepare for the terrorist threat -- chemical, biological, nuclear -- and future missile attack threats. And NMD (despite the claims of even some of its advocates) will not be deployed solely against the threat of "rogue nations," unless you include the PRC in that category.

And I do.

76 posted on 09/14/2001 8:11:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good grief! So what are we suppose to do, sit here and wait until the missiles come pouring in on our heads? What will this idiot say then? Maybe nothing, as he will be dead along with the rest of us.

Let us remember that Clinton changed long standing laws which allowed Loral to sell a missile guidance system to the Chinese. Who are the Chinese trading with now? The Afghans -- our enemies. The stupidity of the American press and TV commentators is overwhelming. I can't take it any longer.

77 posted on 09/14/2001 8:15:21 AM PDT by swampfox98
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Every now and then, I run across someone that makes me want to grab them by the throat and slap the ever-living piss out of them but no one has ever been able to elicit this urge like Joe CommieSon. Give me just five minutes ... five minutes .... and I could straighten Joe CommieSon out for life. AT least one of us would feel better.
78 posted on 09/14/2001 8:20:11 AM PDT by Paine's Ghost
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Conason is hoping that his minion (the folks who actually read his column without stunned disbelief) will take his cue and use the WTC attack to defeat the missle-defense system they all hate so much.

I saw Blitzer try to do the same with Sen. Dodd (D-CT). Dodd blew him off. Of course, political reality will not stop "journalists" from trying to form public opinion.

79 posted on 09/14/2001 8:22:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ignatz_q
The reason to abandon NMD is that it's a sham. NMD is writing a big blank check to companies that defrauded us in the past. It does not work, and it will not work.

I guess it was just a figment of my imagination that the Chinese have walked away with all of our research.
I guess they'll be surprised when they find out nothing works!
I suppose they'll be asking the Clintons and the DNC for their money back.

80 posted on 09/14/2001 8:26:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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