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What Possible Defense is There?
Self - SES1066 | 09/12/01 | SES1066

Posted on 09/12/2001 5:57:59 AM PDT by SES1066

I can make a simple flat statement here:
"You cannot make any motorized passenger travel completely safe from suicide-minded terrorists!"
These WTC Terrorists used knives, shaving supplies and box-cutters to attack/kill the stewardists in order to force the pilots to exit and defend THEIR PEOPLE! Can anybody think of any other action, under the known circumstances at that time, that the pilots would have done?

All Terrorists have the ability to strike at the time and place of THEIR choice and advantage. When they have no concern about their future survival, they have an almost complete freedom of action. Their sponsors want to force us to fear them and to worry about their future actions. IF, it is shown to be the work of Islamic Fundumentalists, NOT YET PROVEN, it is an effort to attack and destroy Western Civilization and its technology and democracy.

So we face a dilemma, our own freedom to use technology, transportation and democracy that form the backbone of our civilization, versus the Terrorists ability to attack us at the time and place of their choosing! We will now be facing stringent boarding procedures at the airports, probably increasing the already strangled process by multiple hours for individual travelers. This is a Terrorist Tax that will impact everyone and the cost will increase as it causes other businesses to pass on their increases. There are going to be new rules about pocket knoves and box cutters on airliners and so there goes another small bit of our freedoms - JUST WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT!

THE QUESTION IS - Will this make us safer? There are numerous manuals on how to make deadly weapons out of innocuous household items. A clothes hanger can become a weapon and so does that mean that they will be forbidden on airplanes? The next attack could come from a hijacked Greyhound Bus, loaded with explosives, driven at an unguarded target like the Harvard Library or St.Patrick's Cathedral! These are attacks on our civilization, we are at war, and so we should steel ourselves against these attacks and NOT let us do these Terrorists job for them by slicing up our liberties for an extra sense of little security!
Ben Franklin said, "Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety!"


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To: SES1066
The U.S.A. must win the war on 'Drugs' and 'Oil'.
These are the primary targets!
Cut off their access to the monies.
21 posted on 09/12/2001 9:45:26 AM PDT by maestro
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To: SES1066
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23 posted on 09/12/2001 10:59:34 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro
Returning to the 'air?' from a couple of days volunteering at the local blood bank - higher turnout than in Gulf Storm.

The U.S.A. must win the war on 'Drugs' and 'Oil'.

I think that I disagree here, IF IT IS ISLAMIC FUNDUMENTALISTS. They are attacking our civilization and culture, they don't care about our problems with drugs or oil other than that they are happy we are having problems. I agree that we would be stronger if we could put these 2 problems behind us, but we probably would have been attacked anyway.

24 posted on 09/13/2001 3:12:59 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: SES1066
Stop supporting Zionism and the terrorism will go away without any need to curtail our civil liberties.
25 posted on 09/13/2001 3:18:37 PM PDT by Marduk
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To: BurkeanCyclist
I think cutting off access between the cockpit and the passenger cabins is a good idea.
What happens when your Crew, Attendants and Passengers, start being killed one by one until you open the door? I wouldn't want to make that decision.

Also we should perhaps return to having armed Sky Marshals on flights.
Agreed!

26 posted on 09/13/2001 3:19:22 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: Procyon
Bonanza armed it's pilots.

A real bonanza for lawyers in today's world I'm afraid, for obvious reasons!

27 posted on 09/13/2001 3:22:56 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: AppyPappy
I did a job for a pilot friend of mine, and I asked him why the flight attendants and pilots at least carry some sort of 'mace' or 'pepper spray'. He said the FAA would not let flight crews have it on board. Can you believe it? The FAA prevents flight crews from having ready access to what, a $5-10 piece of safety equipment that would likely have prevented all this from happening? After all, what good is a knife when you can't see anything and are temporarily disabled? Incredible, isn't it?
28 posted on 09/13/2001 3:29:18 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Deep_6
I cannot enter a courthouse without turning over a small penknife at the door. It is not my inherent "right" to carry that within that building. There are armed guards within that building and I am not required to enter; I have the choice not to. Why should I be alarmed at being required to do the same when entering an aircraft?

Good points and they have validity. When I choose to go on an airliner, I choose to accept their rules.

29 posted on 09/13/2001 3:29:23 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: Jim Noble
...and reorganize them under our suzeranity.

I fear for the practicality of your 'solution'. We attack any country that has any inhabitant who is anti-US. Either we end up controlling all other countries or all become our enemies in self-defense.

30 posted on 09/13/2001 3:35:14 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: patchpics
At minimum 1,000 muslems should die for each American injured or killed.
This sounds a lot like what the Nazi's did to fight the Allied Resistance and is equally odious. How would you choose the 1000 Muslems - would you too condem the innocent? The guilty yes, but I think better of you than to kill the innoceent.

If oil is used as a threat, consider that a terrorist act.
Yes

31 posted on 09/13/2001 3:42:17 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: wretchard
Many precious things will be destroyed in the coming struggle. Places we knew. People we loved. Things we had. Things we used to do. Yet this is our destiny and burden. On with the fight. God bless America.

Same as "The Battle of Britain" - Their Finest Hour, but 1938 England was greatly changed to become 1946 England.

32 posted on 09/13/2001 3:48:17 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: BurkeanCyclist
I think cutting off access between the cockpit and the passenger cabins is a good idea.

Then you're going to have to redesign the planes to include separate bathroom facilities for the cockpit crew. And the ability to prepare their own meals, instead of having them delivered by the "steward/esse/s".

I don't think the flight crews are going to go for it, terrorists or not. It would be easier to train the cockpit crews to be heartless SOBs that will sacrifice the lives of the rest of the crew and passengers on board before putting flying bombs in the hands of whatever terrorists might be on board.

33 posted on 09/13/2001 3:52:43 PM PDT by CubicleGuy
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To: allend
IMO we have seen the end of airplane hijackings.

Your arguments are logical but that means that the next hijacking will use a bottle of acid carried on as perfume! Hijackers will use common things to attack us.

34 posted on 09/13/2001 3:53:20 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: Jim Noble
What we do have to do is to break their will to resist, and impose new government on them. That is not impossible, if we have the will.

IF this was religious fanaticism, it will be most difficult to overcome. I think that it will be a very long fight!

35 posted on 09/13/2001 3:57:28 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: SES1066
Besides the obvious, air marshalls, etc. I offer a Marine Corps proverb.

The best defense is to counter-attack at least three times a day.

36 posted on 09/13/2001 3:57:49 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: miner89
If we kill the head, there will be no one to organize the ones crazy enough to do this stuff.

Requires the political will to accept the inevitable fall out. Neither Bush-41 nor Clinton saw fit to accept this risk, I hope Bush-43 will.

37 posted on 09/13/2001 4:02:52 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: allend
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38 posted on 09/14/2001 7:47:40 PM PDT by maestro
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