Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

PETITION FOR PEOPLE FIRST! FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS KILLING OUR FIREFIGHTERS,DEFUND THE ESA! Thread 29
September 10, 2001

Posted on 09/10/2001 8:53:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor

Firefighters are Dying so Fish can Live


Isn't it Time to Draw the Line ??


The Endangered Species Act has recently resulted in the financial ruin of 1,400 families in Klamath Falls, Oregon, and the death of four firefighters in Okanogan National Forest in Winthrop, Washington.


THESE PEOPLE WERE SACRIFICED TO PROTECT FISH !!!


IT’S TIME TO STOP THE INSANITY !!!



Sign the Petition to Stop Taxpayer Funding of the OUT-OF-CONTROL Endangered Species Act.

Link to the Petition:
PEOPLE FIRST !!

KLAMATH FALLS PETITION

REMEMBER OUR FIREFIGHTERS!

By:Kevin Tuma


PLEASE SIGN All Three OF THESE PETITIONS
</font color> All 3 petitions ARE IMPORTANT! Tell your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers etc about all 3.

Let the Irrigation Water Flow in the Klamath Basin of Oregon

Kill the Endangered Species Act-Firefighters have died to protect fish. Abolish the ESA!

Stop Illegal Land Grabs Petition

</font color> The Firefighters' Story</font color>

Search for Previous Threads


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Breaking News
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-72 next last
Hey all you Lurkers, Check in here to learn HTML so you too can post too!!

We need your help to win this battle.

1 posted on 09/10/2001 8:53:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub, shotabug, MarMema, LadyX, COB1
Ping !!!!
2 posted on 09/10/2001 8:54:42 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClancyJ, Chong, Alamo-Girl, swheats, Humidston, FReethesheeples
Ping!!
3 posted on 09/10/2001 8:59:03 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Helix, oldvike, mfulstone, Spunky
Ping !!
4 posted on 09/10/2001 9:01:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Snow Bunny, Humidston, Iowa Granny
Ping!
5 posted on 09/10/2001 9:02:18 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
BTT
6 posted on 09/10/2001 9:02:58 AM PDT by Neets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
Good morning. Thank you for the thread. I hope you have a great day my friend.
7 posted on 09/10/2001 9:17:55 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PLEASE ............. the KILLER Enviros could be at YOUR door unless you......

8 posted on 09/10/2001 9:19:55 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: To ALL land owners and campers ...........................
The FIRE FIGHTERS CARE about the forests, the animals, the humans, your homes and land....... the ENVIROS DO NOT!!!!!!

They ONLHY care about their communist agenda to take over your land and are using animals, birds and fish as an excuse! Please SIGN THE PETITION !!!!!!


9 posted on 09/10/2001 9:22:57 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LadyX , COB1, shotabug, MarMema , Spunky

10 posted on 09/10/2001 9:24:07 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION..........................
FireFighter Prayer

When I`am called to duty ,God
Wherever flames may rage,
Give me strength to save some life
Whatever be its age

Help me embrace a little child
Before it is too late
Or save an older person from
The horror of that fate

Enable me to be alert
To the weakest shout
And quickly and efficiently
To put the fire out I want to fill my calling and
To give the best of me
To guard my every neighbor and
protect his property

And if according to my fate
I`am to lose my life
Please bless with your protecting hand
My family and my wife.

11 posted on 09/10/2001 9:26:52 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor,LadyX,Snow Bunny,68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub,Spunky,ClancyJ,MarMema,JustAmy,abner,AuntB
Thanks, again, e-s.
I'm having lots of server problems.
I've been trying to get this thread going for two hours.
Thanks for being there.

I've got a news article which I've been trying to post:


A True Endangered Species

By Scott M. Harn

"Immediate action is needed. I would like to recommend that Homo sapiens be listed as a '"threatened species"' under the Endangered Species Act (ESA)." Homo sapiens were once found in abundance in nearly every square mile of every single state in the U.S. Recent events have resulted in severe restrictions on the breeding grounds of this species, and prompt action is necessary to restore habitat.

Through the use of lawsuits, conservation easements, regulations, condemnations, and countless other methods, Homo sapiens are being removed from their native habitat.

Even as I write this, another group of Homo sapiens is being forced to move from an area encompassing the Klamath River in Northern California and Southern Oregon.

The ESA, 7 U.S.C. 136; 16 U.S.C. 460 et seq., specifically, section 1532(8), states: The term ''fish or wildlife'' means any member of the animal kingdom, including without limitation any mammal, fish, bird (including any migratory, nonmigratory, or endangered bird for which protection is also afforded by treaty or other international agreement), amphibian, reptile, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod or other invertebrate, and includes any part, product, egg, or offspring thereof, or the dead body or parts thereof.

Section 1532(5) states that the term ''critical habitat'' for a threatened or endangered species includes '"the specific areas within the geographical area occupied by the species, at the time it is listed in accordance with the provisions of section 1533 of this title, on which are found those physical or biological features (I) essential to the conservation of the species and (II) which may require special management considerations or protection; and (ii) specific areas outside the geographical area occupied by the species at the time it is listed in accordance with the provisions of section 1533 of this title, upon a determination by the Secretary that such areas are essential for the conservation of the species."'

Section 1533(a)(1)(A) states: '"The Secretary shall determine whether any species is an endangered species or a threatened species because of any of the following factors: (A) the present or threatened destruction, modification, or curtailment of its habitat or range."'

Just within the past year, millions acres have been withdrawn via the previously mentioned tactics, and in addition, by the creation of '"National Monuments."'

Homo sapiens certainly qualify, as their habitat or range has been severely curtailed.

There have been reports of Homo sapiens taking their own lives as their breeding grounds, and sources of income and food, have been effectively taken away. Klamath River farmers, a somewhat isolated group of Homo sapiens, are just the latest victims.

There are currently 1,802 species listed as '"threatened"' or '"endangered"' on the website of the U.S. Forest Service, and a mere 14 have been listed as '"recovered,"' or less than 0.075%. In any published model, including the business model, the ESA would be recognized as a failure in its ability to effectively recover species. Billions of taxpayer dollars have been wasted on countless studies, regulations, government salaries, lawsuits, attorney fees, and purchases of land that our government cannot afford to adequately attend to, after the fact.

Those who seek to confine Homo sapiens to small parcels of heavily controlled and regulated land have abused the ESA. The time to use the ESA to protect Homo sapiens, or to do away with the ESA all together, is long overdue."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Harn is editor of International California Mining Journal.

12 posted on 09/10/2001 9:34:53 AM PDT by COB1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: COB1
I used to subscribe to the California Minning Journal back in the sixties, but they disappeared. - When did they come back?

They are the people who probably shaped my political views more than any other publication.

13 posted on 09/10/2001 9:39:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: It IS Time to Draw the line on these horrible enviros.................
THE LAST RIDE He rode the truck to his last alarm
He could feel the tears falling down
He looked back on his thirty years
All the fires and all the fears
All his days filled with rain and snow
When the alarm would ring he'd be on the go
He's seen his share of fear and sorrow
He'd do it again for one more tomorrow
No more dark rooms and no more flames
No more burns,cuts,or aches and pains
14 posted on 09/10/2001 9:39:56 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: The Fire Fighters meet the Devil in the flames.......CAN'T YOU JUST SIGN THE PETITION...............
FEARLESS NIGHTS

Their is a place in all of us that is dark and deep
If you let it devour you it will make you weep
You throw out your chest and stand up tall
Then you run down to the flames and face the devil in the hall
His flames are red and his smoke is black
Its you against the devil and you must be on the attack
The devil is quick and the devil is smart
But he will never win against a firefighters heart

15 posted on 09/10/2001 9:41:53 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor,shotabug,Iowa Granny,Alamo-Girl,swheats,Chong,Carolinamom,mfulstone,freedomnews,Fred
"The West is Burning. Again. Here's Why."

By Tom DeWeese

"The West is once again on fire as forests burn through millions of dollars of timber stock, much of which should have been harvested to thin out those forests and thus protect them from becoming the tinder that dying and diseased trees represent.

In 1999, then-President Clinton sought to set aside 40 million wilderness acres in some 35 states. He did this despite the fact the Senate had refused to ratify the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity, which called for those set-asides. He did this despite the fact that Congress, not the Executive, is directed by the Constitution to manage federal lands. Under Clinton's plan, no wilderness roads would have been created. In addition, general public access to this vast area would be further restricted. This represents near perfect conditions for catastrophic forest fires.

Even before Clinton could work his mischief, however, the U.S. Forest Service, long infiltrated by the true believers of environmentalism, had set about creating the conditions that made headlines last year and are making them again, as fires consume forests throughout the West.

'"The reasons for the poorer current ecological condition and higher fire risks on federal lands are multiple. The Forest Service, true to its longstanding Smokey the Bear mission, pursued fire suppression on its lands with particular zeal for many decades, often leaving the lands in worse condition to begin with, as compared with nonfederal forest owners."' This is what Prof. Robert H. Nelson told a joint hearing of the House Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health, along with the House subcommittee on National Parks and Public Lands on June 7, 2000.

Nelson is a Professor of Environmental Policy at the School of Public Affairs of the University of Maryland. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute. From 1975 to 1993, he worked in the Office of Policy Analysis in the U.S. Department of the Interior. He is also the author of '"A Burning Issue: A Case for Abolishing the U.S. Forest Service."' This is no wild-eyed member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. This is a man who knows what he is talking about.

Under the Clinton-Gore administration and earlier, as environmentalists were able to take over the Interior Department, longstanding policies of forest management were rejected in favor of doing nothing.

Prof. Nelson told Congress, '"The state of federal land gridlock also reflects a growing uncertainty about the mission of the federal lands. For many decades these lands were managed according to a 'multiple use' philosophy that reflected a clear utilitarian goal to maximize human benefits from the multiple-use federal lands in the forms of recreation, timber harvesting, water supplies, grazing and other uses."' That bears repeating, the longstanding policy, established by Congress when it began to set aside land as National Forests and Parks, was to also insure that their assets, chiefly timber, would also be available for use.

Until the new administration of George W. Bush took over, this nation's federal forests were not being managed for the benefit of the citizens of this nation. The priority had shifted entirely to the benefit of wildlife species. As a result, since the early 1990s, leading forestry experts have been warning that very dangerous fire conditions were building up on the forests of the interior West; conditions that put lives and property at severe risk.

Four young firefighters recently died as bureaucrats argued whether it was okay to take water from a lake with "endangered" fish and use it to protect them from the oncoming flames.[color mine] This reflects the fundamental environmental viewpoint that trees and wildlife take precedence over human lives, property, and needs.

This explains why former Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt's first public reaction to last year's New Mexico fire was to blame it on the people who lived in the path of the blaze. When he discovered that the public takes a dim view of the government burning down hundreds of homes, he quickly reversed himself.

A Bush appointee, Gale Norton, now leads the Department of the Interior. Word of a new, ten-year, $1.8 billion plan to save the nation's forests from more catastrophic fires has just surfaced. Last year, throughout the West eight million acres were lost. The West is on fire again. Good forest management practices, long ignored, are desperately needed and, maybe, now, finally, they will be instituted."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom DeWeese is the publisher/editor of The DeWeese Report, a monthly newsletter, and president of the American Policy Center, a grassroots, activist think-tank. Headquartered in Warrenton, VA, the Center maintains an Internet site at www.americanpolicy.com.

16 posted on 09/10/2001 9:42:38 AM PDT by COB1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Poem from a FIRE FIGHTER.............
"His Final Fire"

He came to work one summer day thoughts of danger were far away.
He washed the truck and polished the brass.
He cleaned the floor and washed the glass.
When his work was done he pulled up a chair.
He looked out the door and started to stare.
His thoughts were broken when they sounded the alarm little did he know of the pending harm.
As the truck raced to the fire with his heart pounding fast.
He had no idea that this was to be his last.
He could see that the smoke was thick and black.
How was he to know he would never come back.

Written by Axeman68

17 posted on 09/10/2001 9:42:52 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
I haven't seen any articles by that journal in quite awhile, but this one was published as part of the "eco-logic" magazine.
Please keep it bumped, guys.
Got to talk to the doc.
Be back shortly.
18 posted on 09/10/2001 9:46:24 AM PDT by COB1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS
LIFE AFTER LOSS

If tears could build a stairway
and heartaches make a lane,
we'd walk the path to heaven
and bring you back again.

A heart of gold stopped beating
a shinning smile at rest,
God broke our hearts to prove
he only takes the best.

Our family chain is broken again
and nothing seems the same,
But God will call us one by one
and the chain will link again.

MAY THE REST OF YOUR LIFE BE A POEM IN THE ETERNAL MEMORY OF GOD.

19 posted on 09/10/2001 9:46:33 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Please sign the Petition...........
FIREFIGHTERS The sirens blaring the lights were flashing their blood was running cold.
Their nerves on edge there bodies tense their story yet untold.
What would they find when they reached the blaze and fight this terrible fight.
Could they slay the dragon bring him to his knees and sneak away in the darkness of the night.
Sometimes they die of old age, sometimes they die in a fire.
Its not for lack of strength, its not for lack of courage or any lack of desire.
It takes a special man to run in where others rush out.
When god made firefighters all the angels they did shout.
When firefighters die they all go to a special place.
Because god don't care about color,creed or race.
20 posted on 09/10/2001 9:47:31 AM PDT by Snow Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-20, 21-40, 41-60, 61-72 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson