Posted on 09/10/2001 4:29:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
With the last thread being close to 200 posts, someone asked to start a new thread. Fine. And maybe I can clear some things up.
1. Bush lost the trust of House Oversight. Some people vehemently disagree with that. Sorry but, when an ally from the same party is compelled to issue a subpeano to force you into handing over papers, he has a serious problem with you. No. They don't trust Bush anymore. He has had 7 months to 'keep it to his vest', and they don't buy that line anymore.
2. I don't want to 'destroy' Bush. No. I think it would be very healthy for our republic to have a conservative leader such as Alan Keyes throw his hat into the ring if Bush goes through with this exec privilege notion. An early primary scrap could help make people aware of real conservatism and give us a true leader to rally behind. Once the primary starts, the tin soldiers line up behind Bush, and then it's already too late to start competing. The conservative message takes more time to get out. Slick big bucks campaigners don't have time to be conservative. But the conservative message endures beyond the party horns. Horns are exciting for a little while, but you eventually get a headache. Truth makes you hungry for more.
3. Some people think that this is a small matter, a minor sacrifice in the great political chess game. But I say, IT IS NO SMALL SACRIFICE. If there were no history books for our founding fathers to draw upon, we would still have a king. This is not some pawn in a great chess game. Day-to-day decisions, such as our puny tax cuts, pale in comparison to treating truth like some cheap bargaining chip. We all got upset when Bush wrote off our schools, didn't we? Well this is the Big School. No education is more important right now than an education that helps us preserve our freedom. Let some light in, or the cockroaches will dance all over us.
4. People think I want Bush to go after Clinton. Good heavans no. I never said that. I always knew he didn't have the guts to stand up to Clinton. However, I hoped and prayed he would at least allow others to do it. And I made such remarks many times. His 'new tone' isn't violated by others' actions. Let them have the papers, for goodness sake. To Bush I would say, Let them do what you aren't comfortable with. You don't have the guts, well at least step aside for crying out loud.
5. People think that I and others want everything to go our way or we have a temper tantrum. Well not much has gone my way. Odds are, not much has gone YOUR way. You want to demean good old fashioned American style outrage then go right ahead. We care. Those who don't care remind me of rotting fish washed up on the shore. God has special plans for lukewarms. He doesn't like them much either.
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Third Party vs Primary Fight
6. Some people are so angry with Bush that they want to go third party. Remember Ross Perot? What did he do in the last election? He turned his back on his own party and supported Bush. Why? He put country above party. That is what we need, my friends. It isn't the party that matters. You think 200 million dollars is too much? Only the rich can give someone 200 million dollars? Come on now. 20 million people, each contributing oh.... 10 bucks. Big deal. Imagine if that happened to someone like Alan Keyes. Or your favorite choice. Not only would it be enough to run the distance, it would be a huge mandate like nothing this country has ever seen. Now consider third parties again in that light. Not that important what party is it? If someone has 20 million contributing followers, he might be in any party or even no party, he or she is a titan.
Except for one thing. One very important thing. A fair percentage of Republicans are proud of their party right now. I don't blame them. So lets make them REAL proud. Let's start up a primary fight with a conservative leader that gets hot as a firecracker. My choice is Keyes. But I'd love to see any staunch conservative take the lead. I mean, if you start a third party, that splits the conservative vote in half. A party as strong as the GOP doesn't vanish overnight. Why should they? Are they any worse than the DNC? It would be backwards for the RNC to fall apart because it isn't fighting the DNC's foolishness hard enough. It's like watching a bully pick fights but only suspending the other kids that the bully beats up. It's kind of perverse.
7. The RNC can be repaired. A lot of people say that the GOP is a puppet, run by a bunch of guys sitting at a table. It isn't some table of fat cats who run a party. The Primary runs the party. True, the established leadership can offer an edge to their annointed up a point. That point is easilly overwhelmed. Reagan did it. If Reagan could make something of the RNC, then it stands to reason that the next conservative can go even further the next time around. Each victory, even if three decades ago, paves the way for an even greater victory. We all hunger for a new Reagan. Keep his memory alive, and someone even better will one day take his place. Never forget, all bad things come to an end. Until that time, it's very simple. Your average Republican voter misses Reagan very badly and would go to the wall for a new Reagan. Perhaps none of our current conservative leaders have that potential. I think it's in Keyes.
Sure odds are in favor of Bush in a primary fight, unless Bush keeps provoking us. We would have a leader to turn to if he does, a leader who keeps getting stronger as Bush turns his back on us. See what I am saying? We can't lose that way. It's called 'competition'. It would be clean competition. Why? Because in the end, we rally behind the next leader. But the fight resumes at the next primary. Peel off from the group and your conservative allies now vie against you. Let the liberals do that. Liberals might grow on trees, but they are nuttier than it would appear.
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Please support Dan Burton. And please let Bush know your theories on why he is offering criminal aide to a traitor that makes Benedict Arnold look like a saint.
1. The lack of trust that you continue to harp on as the basis for your strawman. It doesn't wash, we have been here for the last eight years watching Burton subpeona everything under the sun in an attempt to get Clinton, so why whould his latest attempt come as a shock? If Gore were President he'd be doing the same thing he's doing now. Trust has nothing to do with it, you seeing this as an opportunity to lob a few Molitov cocktails at Bush to prop up Keyes is your sole motivation. As some one who voted for Keyes in the SC Primary, your help in the manner in which you have chosen to give it is not needed nor appreciated.
2. Yes, Arthur you are trying to destroy Bush, and your attempt to do so borders on if not crosses the line into slander.
3. No, Arthur this is not Political Chess. It's a matter of placing the Nation's problems that affect us all over the wants and needs of a few people's need for the immediate gradifacation of finally getting Clinton. It called priorities.
4. Again with the name calling, first Bush is untrustworthy, now he's a coward. Got any more goodies stashed away in your bag of insults?
5. Your outrage is totally manufactured. you saw an opportunity to score a few points and you went for it. As far as God's plans for some one, you're being awfully presumptuous aren't you? Only God has the right to make that decision and I don't think God would appreciate you doing it for him.
6. 3rd Party vs primary fight, well it worked real well for Perot didn't it? He's the one that assured us getting Clinton in the first place. You must work within the Party for change. Going out side it only assures both your and your former party's demise.
7. We may actually be in agreement somewhat here believe it or not. I personally have no use for liberals or moderates(liberal lite IMHO), they tend to whine and generally gum up the works when they don't get their way.
Go back and look at the votes in the primaries for Alexander, Dole, Keyes, Buchanan, Nader & Bradley. Add them up. Then start studying the postings from Freepers who have a lot of experience in getting people ELECTED.
1. The lack of trust that you continue to harp on as the basis for your strawman. It doesn't wash, we have been here for the last eight years watching Burton subpeona everything under the sun in an attempt to get Clinton, so why whould his latest attempt come as a shock?
I see now. You think that the Oversight Committee is goofy aye? I mean, if they DO trust him, they would be patient and simply ask for papers in a polite manner. Did Lott do a better job handling Clinton than the Oversight Comittee? Or Thompson? You think Thompson did a better job?
If I were 'out to get Bush', I would not have defended his family regarding Mena. Your assumption that I am agenda-driven is way off the mark. Also consider, I am able to listen to Rush Limbaugh. A true Bush basher would have bashed his radio several months ago.
Now, please explain how I slandered Bush. LOL. Your outrage is totally manufactured. you saw an opportunity to score a few points and you went for it. Oh? You know how I think do you? You got me 'pegged down'. Are you a psychology professor? You certainly do profess.
"...it only assures both your and your former party's demise." You are threatening my demise? Hm. My political demise I assume. You think I give a fig about that? Heheheh. I do what I can do and get on with my life. I used to be a democrat. Been independent ever since. In the last election, it appeared that 'the fix is in'. So I stayed independent. I'd join the GOP if I believed a true conservative would really fight early, fight often, and fight hard. I voted for Keyes as an independent in the primary. Now you think I'm still some villian out to destroy Bush? LOL.
. As far as God's plans for some one, you're being awfully presumptuous aren't you? Only God has the right to make that decision and I don't think God would appreciate you doing it for him. Oh quoting scripture is being presumptuous? In Revelation, it is written that the lukewarms will be spewn out. And some other poster, not yourself, referred to a time some smart alec wiped the microphone and table top after Keyes made a particularly hot speech. That particular poster seemed to think that making fun of Keyes was wonderful. So if you wonder why I made that remark, it has nothing to do with you or Bush. But it sounds like you noticed a little lukewarm tendancy somewhere I didn't notice. Hm.... I will say this, you are no lukewarm. =]
You also conclude that I'm a partizan for Keyes, purely agenda-driven. Well actually, Judge Roy Moore, Ron Paul, Dana Rohrabacher, and many others would get my support if they entered the primary right away. Any of them would do. Others too. Helen Cheneweth, for example. Heck. I'd love JimRob to run. Or Doug from Upland. They would all do a fine job as a conservative leader. Rush of course, is badly needed right where he is.
Oh you mean Perot and Ralph Nader? Without their help, Bush would have lost. LOL. He had a lot of money, but apparently another 20 mil would have been helpful. It was close.
My apologies to Bush. Anyone who can tick off Waxman has something going for him.
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