Posted on 09/10/2001 4:29:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
With the last thread being close to 200 posts, someone asked to start a new thread. Fine. And maybe I can clear some things up.
1. Bush lost the trust of House Oversight. Some people vehemently disagree with that. Sorry but, when an ally from the same party is compelled to issue a subpeano to force you into handing over papers, he has a serious problem with you. No. They don't trust Bush anymore. He has had 7 months to 'keep it to his vest', and they don't buy that line anymore.
2. I don't want to 'destroy' Bush. No. I think it would be very healthy for our republic to have a conservative leader such as Alan Keyes throw his hat into the ring if Bush goes through with this exec privilege notion. An early primary scrap could help make people aware of real conservatism and give us a true leader to rally behind. Once the primary starts, the tin soldiers line up behind Bush, and then it's already too late to start competing. The conservative message takes more time to get out. Slick big bucks campaigners don't have time to be conservative. But the conservative message endures beyond the party horns. Horns are exciting for a little while, but you eventually get a headache. Truth makes you hungry for more.
3. Some people think that this is a small matter, a minor sacrifice in the great political chess game. But I say, IT IS NO SMALL SACRIFICE. If there were no history books for our founding fathers to draw upon, we would still have a king. This is not some pawn in a great chess game. Day-to-day decisions, such as our puny tax cuts, pale in comparison to treating truth like some cheap bargaining chip. We all got upset when Bush wrote off our schools, didn't we? Well this is the Big School. No education is more important right now than an education that helps us preserve our freedom. Let some light in, or the cockroaches will dance all over us.
4. People think I want Bush to go after Clinton. Good heavans no. I never said that. I always knew he didn't have the guts to stand up to Clinton. However, I hoped and prayed he would at least allow others to do it. And I made such remarks many times. His 'new tone' isn't violated by others' actions. Let them have the papers, for goodness sake. To Bush I would say, Let them do what you aren't comfortable with. You don't have the guts, well at least step aside for crying out loud.
5. People think that I and others want everything to go our way or we have a temper tantrum. Well not much has gone my way. Odds are, not much has gone YOUR way. You want to demean good old fashioned American style outrage then go right ahead. We care. Those who don't care remind me of rotting fish washed up on the shore. God has special plans for lukewarms. He doesn't like them much either.
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Third Party vs Primary Fight
6. Some people are so angry with Bush that they want to go third party. Remember Ross Perot? What did he do in the last election? He turned his back on his own party and supported Bush. Why? He put country above party. That is what we need, my friends. It isn't the party that matters. You think 200 million dollars is too much? Only the rich can give someone 200 million dollars? Come on now. 20 million people, each contributing oh.... 10 bucks. Big deal. Imagine if that happened to someone like Alan Keyes. Or your favorite choice. Not only would it be enough to run the distance, it would be a huge mandate like nothing this country has ever seen. Now consider third parties again in that light. Not that important what party is it? If someone has 20 million contributing followers, he might be in any party or even no party, he or she is a titan.
Except for one thing. One very important thing. A fair percentage of Republicans are proud of their party right now. I don't blame them. So lets make them REAL proud. Let's start up a primary fight with a conservative leader that gets hot as a firecracker. My choice is Keyes. But I'd love to see any staunch conservative take the lead. I mean, if you start a third party, that splits the conservative vote in half. A party as strong as the GOP doesn't vanish overnight. Why should they? Are they any worse than the DNC? It would be backwards for the RNC to fall apart because it isn't fighting the DNC's foolishness hard enough. It's like watching a bully pick fights but only suspending the other kids that the bully beats up. It's kind of perverse.
7. The RNC can be repaired. A lot of people say that the GOP is a puppet, run by a bunch of guys sitting at a table. It isn't some table of fat cats who run a party. The Primary runs the party. True, the established leadership can offer an edge to their annointed up a point. That point is easilly overwhelmed. Reagan did it. If Reagan could make something of the RNC, then it stands to reason that the next conservative can go even further the next time around. Each victory, even if three decades ago, paves the way for an even greater victory. We all hunger for a new Reagan. Keep his memory alive, and someone even better will one day take his place. Never forget, all bad things come to an end. Until that time, it's very simple. Your average Republican voter misses Reagan very badly and would go to the wall for a new Reagan. Perhaps none of our current conservative leaders have that potential. I think it's in Keyes.
Sure odds are in favor of Bush in a primary fight, unless Bush keeps provoking us. We would have a leader to turn to if he does, a leader who keeps getting stronger as Bush turns his back on us. See what I am saying? We can't lose that way. It's called 'competition'. It would be clean competition. Why? Because in the end, we rally behind the next leader. But the fight resumes at the next primary. Peel off from the group and your conservative allies now vie against you. Let the liberals do that. Liberals might grow on trees, but they are nuttier than it would appear.
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Please support Dan Burton. And please let Bush know your theories on why he is offering criminal aide to a traitor that makes Benedict Arnold look like a saint.
Hey Arthur, who is the Benedict Arnold you refer to in your keywords?????
FWIW, "Executive Privilege" is a h*ll of a lot more important than simply more rehashing of the same old evidence that didn't get Clinton a Senate conviction, and would serve no purpose now.
Talk about "Senate Held Hostage"! The Senate--and the House, if the Dems take it back over next year--would mount a terrific assault on the Bush White House if they were given the slightest chance. If Executive Privilege isn't allowed to stand--or if Bush voluntarily suspends it--the Dems will have a heyday.
They will "punish" Republicans for doing their duty during impeachment. It will be a blood-bath and the Dems know that they will have the Press squarely on their side--no "we've seen all this, let's 'move on' to the peoples' business"; it'll be "what did Bush know and when did he know it?" 24/7, about things like the White House toilet paper shortage, etc.
Bush does not have to keep provoking me. He has demostrated he is weak and should have never put his name in the pot, let alone accepted the job.
Keys is a good and strong (not to mention very bright) man. I just know that I have voted my last time for any Bush.
Stay well - Yorktown
You persisted with this, the most brilliant of Bush defenses in the opposing view, and yet, it exposes the utter flaw in logic and lack of sincerity. You are looking for a quote that is not needed. I don't care if the entire committee says it trusts Bush. Such a statement would be a false nicety, an empty gesture of forced goodwill in the face of the facts. It's like having a murderer shoot someone down on videotape and saying, "Well did he confess?" Obsessing over this exposes your motivation.
Oh and as for wrestler names. I never watch wrestling. It's all rigged. But I would not be surprised if you do.
Therefore, I advocate the Reform Party. If we believe in our nation's democracy, then we must bolt the Republican Party.
Many people think that 3'rd parties can't succeed. That's ridiculous. Ross Perot almost got elected president in 92 all by himself, he would've got elected if he hadn't said so many ridiculous things in august 92, the dissatisfaction for the two major parties is that high. All the Reform Party needs to be as credible as either the dems or the repubs is to elect one president.
Let us also not forget how the Republican party was established. That was circa 1850. The Democrats supported slavery 100% while only 75% of the Whigs supported slavery. The people who founded the Republican Party were that small minority within the Whigs who opposed slavery. They were motivated by their religious beliefs. They cared only about principal. The fact that the overwhelming majority of the Americans disagreed with them did not matter at all to them. They founded the Republican Party and just a few years afterwards the Republicans won a 3 way race for president and then dominated American politics for 70 years. The Republicans today are just as vulnerable as the Whigs were in 1850.
I think the Reform Party is a decent place for conservatives to put their efforts whereas the Republican party today bears no fruit whatsoever for us and surely an honest person would admit that the Republicans as is demonstrated by Bush' actions in this case are simply not an honorable group of people.
They were motivated by their religious beliefs.
Lincoln was actually an athiest. Not only that, he called for compromise, a policy of containment, probably the model of Truman's policy of containment a century later. Lincoln wanted to slowly wean the nation away from slavery by not allowing new slave territories to become states. The abolitionists wanted to completely ban it and called Lincoln a squish. Side note, Lincoln began believing in God when he looked upon the battlefield of Gettysburg. His presidency completely changed him. He said there could not be such tragedy without a God to set things right. Very profound.
A very similar thing is going on now. Bush is acting like a squish. He appears religious, true, but then he does things which makes his religion appear phoney. Compromise. Compromise. Much like Lincoln.
And back to Perot, he just dumped his own party in the last election by supporting Bush. I admire him greatly for it. He put country above party. No selfishness there. No blind ambition. No ego problems. He was accused of being a Bush hater. Still is by a few. Hard to believe, huh? Everything he was accused of was shot down by that selfless act in a very close election. God bless Perot. Too bad he will never ever win over die-hard Republicans.
There are some problems with the Reform Party.
1. Ace Ventura got too ambitious and power hungry and tore it apart.
2. They have an odd problem with the abortion issue. Keyes was told he could make a speech at a Reform Party gathering but they forbade him from speaking about abortion. So he declined.
3. Campaign Finance Reform and term limits are looking backwards. Information is easilly accessible now with the internet. So, limiting our freedom to hang on to a statesman like Jesse Helms is looking backwards to a time when they could keep us in the dark. And campaign finance reform is outdated thinking. It limits freedom and creates rules that will be broken. Ever see the Sword and the Stone? Mad Madam Mim only makes rules so she can break them. Now that information can easilly be gathered in the internet, we no longer need to think in the strict limits of a b**b tube to get informed. Ads do little more than get our attention now. The internet clears up the spin.
All we need now is a courageous leader who says it like it is. Someone with basic people skills to have a decent support network. Someone with a clean past. Someone bold enough to step forward early before the traditional primary cycle. Someone who will invest some time going on radio circuits too. Because for some reason, the internet and the radio tend to strengthen each other. Perhaps because they both have such vigorous competition and deal more with words than pictures. The internet and radio will get the ball rolling. The Big Mo will be more important than ever with a longer primary battle. Momentum will become MORE important than size or money.
What things in particular does he do Arthur that makes his religion appear phoney. Or you mean his religious CONVICTIONS/PRACTICES?????? You are on a roll this morning sweetie.
Hopefully its just smart politics and not part of an ongoing cover-up, but based on the direction the country has been following, I am not so sure.
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