[Physicist]

As far as the Red Shift and it's reason for shifting to red, it is still due to the speed of light slowing down.

But we have a very accurate measurement of what the speed of light was 150,000 years ago. We can see the expanding "ring" of the blast from supernova 1987a, and measure the speed of light that way. If the speed of light were faster back then, the circle it makes would be bigger on the face of the sky. It is exactly the size we expect it to be. How do you account for that?

[MHGinTN]

Uh, not so fast, sir. The universal time the light took to reach us may have also been phase shifting during its transit to us, thus we would erceive no variance beacuse the condition would be universal, stretching back temporally to the Nova moment.

[bryan1276]

You'll have to be more specific about what and why and how you think anyone can guage anything beyond 5000 years old. The truth of the matter is that science is clueless as to ages and dates. I think when i started school the universe was 2 billion years old and before I had finished high school it was 4 billion years old. I didnt know it aged that fast, but we all know dating is a very "accurate" science. :) If you date a mollusk with Carbon 14 you will always get something like 2000 years that thing has been dead when it is still alive. As to your claim that you "know" that something is 150,000 years old (very precise, as we've come to expect you know); you'll have to be more specific as to what, how and why you think you can make that claim. I've yet to see a consistent dating system that lasted more than 5 years by any scientist anywhere. THe reason is God created things in such a way that you would have to believe Him if you wanted to get the truth of the matter. When He created Adam He created Him full gorwn. If you were to go back to that Garden you'd ask Adam how old he was and he'd say a day or two days and you'd laugh and say "No sir, I can look at you and say you're at least 30." He'd say No, the Lord Just created me a couple days ago. Anyhow, be more specific if you want me to answer your dating that you so precisely stated as 150,000 years old.