Posted on 09/08/2001 4:00:51 PM PDT by dogbyte12
For months, I have believed that Carolyn's presence in D.C. was more than mere coincidence regarding Chandra's disappearance. I usually end up visualizing either a threatened, or real confrontation between Chandra and Blowdry/wife because Carolyn is in town.
In your usual fashion, Dogbyte12, you have presented a very plausible, and cohesive chain of events. Great work, and thanks again!
The fact that Gary Condit uses an alias to get his spa treatments. He actually has two... one is "Greg" the other is "Barry K." and the fact that he uses a fictitious woman's name for his girly line pager service, often paid 1 year in advance, makes me wonder about this issue.
I was at the 7-11 today, and they actually have an offer for now $49 after rebate, or $89 without a rebate for a cell phone that you buy phone cards for, and pay as you go.
Either Condit broke up with Chandra in early April, or he had to have had a way of contacting her other than her own cell phone that mom and dad were actually paying the bills for in actuality.
Mike Isikoff went over the records, and there is basically just a couple calls from Condit to Chandra or reversed the last two weeks before she vanished. There was no call recorded on the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th. So, I ask again, how did Chandra know to show up at Condit's condo and he would be there? Did they arrange the date 4 or 5 days in advance? Did she just show up unannounced, he let her in, and she spent the night? Or did she have a special phone from Condit? Could even explain why she left the apartment without her regular cell phone.
She gets a call from Condit on the secret cell phone at 12:20. "I am meeting with the VP for 20-40 minutes or so, and I need to see you afterwards. Wait out front for me, I will give you a call right as soon as I am about to pull up.
Chandra dissapears with no ID, and Condit disposes of the phone all in one fell swoop. Something was definately going on that day with her web surfing. She was not only checking on the agriculture committee's website, she also went to a site that tracked the status/progress of legislation.
Wild guess here, but perhaps she found out that Condit lied to her about being busy at times when he was busy with Anne Marie Smith or another girlfriend. Condit says, "No date tonight, I have to stay late at the office to finish work on the Dairy Support Bill. She is about to confront Condit on all she learns about his womanizing, with Jennifer Thomas, etc... and she checks the status of bills he claims he was working on, too busy to meet with her.
I do think we should fax/email/radio talk show bomb all and demand that the media fix the May 1st problem though before anything else. Where are the Woodward and Bernstein's these days?
The media can not find ONE person who went to Condit's office early in the afternoon of May 1st? It would at least make me less suspicious that Condit was physically involved with her abduction if they can nail down his whereabouts that afternoon. Still doesn't make him morally innocent, but still...
Is any reporter even trying, through a FOIA request to get access to Condit's meeting records, phone records for that date. These are calls/meeting logs from his taxpayer funded office. It's not like they want to get his home phone records. Just get a peak at his office schedule. He has to have the equivalent of a secretary, who has a nice shiny appointments calendar. If it exists, can't we see it?
Now, since Mike Dayton was verified to be at the Cheney meeting with Condit, was Dayton with him from 1-3:30PM too? Does any other staffer vouch that Dayton was in the office as well?
Both Dayton and Condit have not explained May 17th yet as well. We keep talking about Luray, Va at midnight, but Condit could have left D.C. at 10PM to get there. Where was Condit, where was Dayton from 10am to 10PM? I am so frustrated with the media for not asking these questions.
The media is about as bumbling as the police department. They could even get a source from the phone company to divulge the phone records for May 1st, and track down folks who called in, #'s placed out, and figure if any of the calls from Condit's office from 1PM-3:30PM were initiated by Condit himself.
Wouldn't it get us so much further to just get past that key period and know if Condit was in his office or not? Any media types reading this? How about investigating this instead of which congress member thinks Condit will resign or not. Let's figure out his alibi first, don't ya think?
One theory I toyed with for a while is that Condit was sleeping with somebody else other than Chandra between 1-3:30PM, that is why he can't tell us what he was doing. I don't know though, it doesn't fly after all the other women came out though. Is it better to be thought of as a murderer, or that he was doing just another in a long string of women?
Something is wrotten in Denmark though. Condit obviously was doing SOMETHING from 1PM to 3:30PM that he is too embarassed to let us know. I wish Larry King wasn't so hopeless and senile. I wish it were an act and "Super Larry" came out and whacked Mike Dayton during the interview.
If King whacked Dayton and pressed him for specific details of the days of the 1st and 17th it would have been a thing of beauty. My question is why Connie Chung, Newsweek, The sacramento reporter, Vanity Fair, The Merced paper, and Larry King didn't try to pin Condit and Dayton down when they had a chance.
Connie Chung was free to ask any question she wanted, so she asked the affair question about 5 gazillion times even though Condit wouldn't respond. If she just took a minute of those questions away and asked him to explain the false timeline, 1-3:30PM and May 17th it would have at least put him on the record and the FBI and DC police could have tried to verify.
Excellent point. No woman would leave her phone while waiting for a call from the person she most wanted to hear from.
Here is something weird that was in media timelines of events. Some timelines stated for a fact that some friends of Chandra were worried about her, entered her aparment on May 1st, and she wasn't there. I bet those timelines are still up, but it either was wrong, or not investigated. I always found that really odd, that anybody would worry that soon, and if they did, who are they, how did they gain entry to her apartment, etc... My guess is it was a false story like the 7-11 and the hardware store spottings.
What's the proof that there were no records of those calls?? What are the records of Chandra's incoming calls May 1st right before she logged off -- and right around the time "Gary" left the Naval Observatory?
Or, Chandra really did disappear at 4:30 a.m. and the story was put out by Condit's camp not knowing that the security tapes would be erased over before police would bother to check anything out. Were those "friends" actually the clean up squad, logging on to the computer and cleaning up any sign of a problem? Later, if the security camera had revealed somebody entering the building and they had been tracked down, the story was already out about "friends" entering her apt. to check on her. Nobody could have entered her apt unless they had a key and we know that Chandra disappeared with only her keys.
Keep talking dogbyte12 - you keep reminding us of things that we didn't put together early on.
Well, firstly, Condit actually met Cheney on capital hill. Cheney has an office there, he didn't meet Condit at the Naval Observatory residence. Secondly, there was no flurry of outgoing calls from Chandra's cell or home phone. The police have those records. If Chandra had another phone, or used a pay phone for some weird reason, she could have called him a flurry of times.
She lost her job on the 23rd, so she wasn't calling from work. Interesting that the last time Condit claims to have seen Chandra in person, April 24th, was the day after she was forced to pack up from her job.
Carolyn didn't fly in til the evening of the 28th. What exactly was Chandra doing from the afternoon of the 24th through the 28th? She had no job to go to, she was about to leave town for graduation. She had to kill time doing something. Do we know what exactly she was doing? I wish the police would reveal her web surfing records from those days in addition to the first. Remember, we don't even have all the web sites from the 1st. The police said they were releasing only part of the records, and that the ones they were withholding were "evidentiary".
What in the heck does that mean anyways? Why haven't reporters tried to find out. The DC Police leaks like a sieve. Maybe the reporters should find out the "evidentiary" web sites Chandra visited on May 1st. If Chandra surfed to the S&M pleasure palace, and bought Gary a pair of handcuffs that might be evidentiary ;)
My daughter just gave me the book by Ann Rule. Title is ...AND NEVER LET HER GO. The story is compelling reading and the similarities are astounding! Missing woman, multiple lovers, gifts, brothers of questionable character, and a truly Condit like personality on the murderer.
One of the main points to learn from it is the amount of information the police had and kept secret until they were ready to make the arrest. I hope this is happening now too!
Please, if history is repeating itself, lets have an arrest and conviction in less than 4 years this time!
DAYTON: On May 1, I was with him probably every day that week. We went over, we met with the vice president that day, I was with him then, I picked him up, and we went to the meeting together, the vice president was gracious, and it was the first time I got to meet the vice president. Then we went back to the office. So I was with him, you know, the whole day.
Someone needs to do some serious questioning of Dayton.
One theory is that Chandra died during some kind of "risky sex", with Condit, who then had to get rid of the body. Your timeline does not seem to leave much time for any kind of lengthy romancing in the days around May 1--especially with Mrs. Condit in town. What do you think of this theory?
Why would Mrs. Condit want to get rid of Chandra, when she was just the latest of many mistresses? Surely she had known for a while her husband is not faithful? Maybe they even had an "open marriage" agreement? Her involvement does not make sense. She does not live in D.C. How could she murder/arrange for murder and dispose of a body while in unfamiliar territory?
Your theory that Chandra was checking Condit's whereabouts on the Internet is intriguing. It may tie-in with the watch. Maybe she found out an ex-girlfriend have given it to Condit, whereas Condit told her it was a "Special gift from me"? Could this have led to an argument where the watch was throw around the room and damagaged? Did she throw it away, or leave an "If something happens to me, Condit did-it note" with the watch attached to prove authenticity?
Perhaps Condit had been stringing Chandra along for a while, telling her he would leave his wife soon, but he wanted to break it to her in person "because she was not well". Condit's chance to tell her in person came with Carolyn's visit, but he didn't do it. Chandra finally has proof Condit is using her and will not break up with his wife. This leads to a confrontation in which Chandra is killed, or Condit realizes she must be silenced.
Your comments are appreciated.
In the Chung interview, Condit said Chandra was interested in working for the CIA or FBI. Was she aware of such techniques and left a drop to herself? Maybe Condit even told her how to do it. It would go along with his other cloak-and-dagger stuff.
At any rate, someone would have to check her mail for a few days to make sure all was clear. This would require the use of her keys. The missing keys.
It would be nice to know if she got her mail in her apartment, or a common mail area with a separate mailbox key.
Law enforcement did not find out til mid-june that Carolyn was in town, until Condit's original lawyer, Joseph Cotchett revealed it, when he noted that Chandra couldn't have been at Condit's apartment that week unless she was on the sofa, because Carolyn was there.
That was the first the cops heard about Carolyn's visit to Washington. This brought two dramatic events into action. Cotchett within a week resigned, and the police began negotiating for Carolyn to fly back to D.C. to do an interview.
Why wouldn't Condit want Carolyn to vouch for his whereabouts? Think about it from the police point of view. Chandra vanishes sometime after 1PM, and Condit as far as they knew was home alone with nobody to verify if he went out with Chandra on a date that evening, or stayed home.
It has to raise Condit on the suspect scale that he had no alibi witness for the evening of May 1st. Yet Condit doesn't give it to them. He doesn't say to the cops, even lying about the nature of his relationship... "I was mentoring Chandra, blah, blah, blah... I didn't even talk to her the last week. Too busy with work, my wife was in town and we were busy together shopping, eating out, etc."
Carolyn needs a second interview I think.
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