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Student Says Guns Offer Best Protection (She Packs A Gun To School, Doesn't Wanna Be 7th RapeVictim)
The Fort Collins Coloradoan News ^ | September 8, 2001 | JenniferFarrell@coloradoan.com

Posted on 09/08/2001 1:35:52 PM PDT by t-shirt

Student says guns offer best protection

By Jenn Farrell

JenniferFarrell@coloradoan.com

Sept. 8, 2001

While some Colorado State University students are arming themselves with martial arts skills or pepper spray in the wake of a series of sexual assaults around Fort Collins, a meeting on campus Friday was designed to draw attention to firearms as another option.

"We're simply saying there is an alternative to Mace, there is an alternative to karate, and that is a firearm," said Ray Hickman of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. "No one has discussed the true equalizer."

Hickman, and a student who would only be identified as "Annie," said they believe firearms are a self-defense option and that people with concealed weapons permits should be allowed to carry the firearms on the Colorado State University's campus.

Since May 10, a man has sexually assaulted six Fort Collins women after breaking into their apartments. In the last attack - Aug. 23 - two women were home but the man fled before assaulting the second woman.

Concealed weapons permit holders are allowed to carry their weapons on campus under a state statute, although students living in residence halls must store their firearms at the police department, said CSU Police Chief Donn Hopkins.

Last fall, Hopkins and other CSU officials drafted a university policy that would have prohibited concealed weapons from being carried on campus. Hopkins tried to get the state statute altered, but neither the proposed policy, nor efforts to change the statute, were successful.

Annie - which is not the woman's real name- is a 23-year-old senior majoring in economics. On Thursday, she was granted an emergency concealed weapons permit by Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden.

She plans to carry a .38-special with her when she goes from her off-campus apartment to CSU to study, work or attend class.

Annie said she didn't think pepper spray or self-defense training would keep her safe from an attacker. "I just think it's irresponsible to put yourself in a position where you are open to assault," she said. "This is something I feel is necessary for myself."

While Annie said she feels comfortable with her decision, other students' reactions on whether guns should be allowed on campus were mixed.

"If you're able to get a permit and carry it legally, then you should be allowed to carry it," said Shannon Lynch, a junior.

People who obtain permits have been trained and know how to handle their firearm, she said.

"I'm sure if you have a gun - it's the way I was raised - you have experience with it and know how to use it," said junior Tim Liemandt. "It's fine with me. I'm not going to mess with them."

But other students said they didn't like the idea of classmates carrying firearms and think options such as the Campus SafeWalk, which provides escorts in the area around campus, and other security measures are enough.

"I don't feel comfortable with any sort of weapon anyway," said junior Stacy Coleman. "I don't see why they need one to begin with ... I feel perfectly safe on campus despite what's been happening in Fort Collins."

Senior Erin Fugler and Lynch both said they recently purchased pepper spray and have practiced using it.

"I think there are other ways of protecting yourself on campus at night," Fugler said. "I think weapons are a little extreme."

"Annie" said she doesn't think pepper spray would be enough to stop an attacker and she believes that a firearm was an appropriate choice.

Local law enforcement agencies haven't seen an increase in the number of people requesting concealed weapons permits since the sexual assaults began in May, according to Alderden and Rita Davis, Fort Collins police spokeswoman.

But if someone is considering the option, there are a couple things they should consider, Alderden said.

"I think anyone who wants a concealed weapons permit needs to think it through and decide if it's a responsibility they want to assume," he said, adding that they also need to make sure they are willing to use the firearm for defense if necessary. Otherwise, he said, an attacker could potentially use it against the gun owner.


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"We're simply saying there is an alternative to Mace, there is an alternative to karate, and that is a firearm," said Ray Hickman of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. "No one has discussed the true equalizer."
1 posted on 09/08/2001 1:35:52 PM PDT by t-shirt
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To: freedomnews archy Patriot76 Amerika MadAsHell Freeper FormerLurker jeremiah jedediah smith B4Ranch b
bump
2 posted on 09/08/2001 1:39:14 PM PDT by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
If everyone was armed and trained, there would be a lot less crime.

Support the NRA and your 2nd Amendment Rights.

3 posted on 09/08/2001 1:40:12 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: t-shirt
I think weapons are a little extreme.

Miss Erin might think rape is a little extreme if she was the victim. My daughters are all fire-arm trained. By me first, and for 2 of them, by their Uncle Sam (USN and ANG). The middle one actually scored expert on hand grenade, but that would be a little extreme.

/john

4 posted on 09/08/2001 1:42:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: t-shirt
Foxnews report
5 posted on 09/08/2001 1:45:11 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: t-shirt
What about homeschooling? I've heard people who homeschool complain about the violence and guns in the public schools. Maybe they'd prefer homeschooling for University too?
6 posted on 09/08/2001 1:57:52 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: kd5cts
"The middle one actually scored expert on hand grenade, but that would be a little extreme."

Why? Gets the job done and none of this silliness about being sued by a wounded perpetrator.

Regards,

7 posted on 09/08/2001 1:58:21 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine
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To: Dan from Michigan
Thanks!
8 posted on 09/08/2001 2:10:44 PM PDT by t-shirt
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To: Marine Inspector
big BUMP !
9 posted on 09/08/2001 2:46:57 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
My kids are/were home/self-schooled. We are thinking about home/self university. But, if my kid was in a dorm there, and they would allow no firearms, I'd insist she keep our East German Rottweiler with her. She'd fit under the bed, never barks, at only 80 lbs wouldn't even be noticed. But if Mr Nasty dropped by, well, we'd save a week's worth of dog food.
10 posted on 09/08/2001 2:49:11 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: t-shirt
How many are armed and defenseless? I'm a college student whose armed to the teeth at home- Got everything from Beretta pistols to Congo Carbines to Mossberg Shotguns, but I'm totally disarmed at college thanks to gun control... Its a class C-1 felony in my state and not even a permit will allow you on campus Oh, don't goto church armed either, thats illegal. Any wonder, the targets of mass-shootings are at these Gun-Free Drug Zones...
11 posted on 09/08/2001 5:22:00 PM PDT by paleolibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Maybe they'd prefer homeschooling for University too?

Yorktown University should suffice.

12 posted on 09/08/2001 5:26:03 PM PDT by brityank
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To: t-shirt
Many law enforcement agencies require police to get a squirt a mace or pepper spray in order to be certified for their use. As such I've been sprayed with both. In my estimation, if you are sprayed with mace you can still accomplish something you feel compelled to do. If you are hit with a good snort of pepper spray you can accomplish anything you want to do provided that thing is find the nearest source of running water. The problem is that, "a good snort," may be extremely difficult to deliver, especially under stress, and is relatively limited in range. Moreover, the psychological deterrent of a little spray flask is far less than that of a firearm produced from a concealed rig.

Some variable can be controlled, such as the places a person goes, and the kinds of people they associate with. Under those circumstances discretion is the best defense. Other variables in our lives cannot be controlled, and in many of those cases, the best defense is a firearm and the proper training in its usage

13 posted on 09/08/2001 5:42:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: t-shirt
"Annie" is a smart lady; but I expect that from an Econ major. The study by John Lott (More guns, less crime) should show even the anti-gun types the folly of gun control. Anyone with a shred of logic would realize that criminals want to stay alive and are afraid of armed citizens even more than the police. Armed citizens shoot to kill, police only shoot to stop. One or two dead criminals tend to force other criminals to think about the consequenses of their actions. Too bad "Annie" chose a 38 though, I'm a fan of the big bores. MARK A SITY www.locic101.net
15 posted on 09/08/2001 11:22:17 PM PDT by logic101.net (mark762@wi.rr.com)
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To: bang_list
bang!

Bump for my beloved alma mater. Go Rams!

16 posted on 09/08/2001 11:26:01 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Marine Inspector
Liberals opposed to the use of guns, might try packing one of these handy farm tools. Properly applied, the rapist will lose the desire. The drawback, however, is that it might take up to four strong bodies to hold him down while the treatment is given.
17 posted on 09/09/2001 6:44:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!
18 posted on 09/09/2001 9:15:53 AM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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