Posted on 09/08/2001 8:48:55 AM PDT by Dixielander
Zionism, Racism and anti-Semitism The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal. - Peter Brimelow
A tragic mistake that is common to any discussion on politics is that racism is bad. The dictionary clearly states that racism is: "the notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior", and "discrimination or prejudice based on racism". Now consider for a moment the merits or the flaws in this definition. Ethnic groups regularly take pride in their heritage and traditions. Many view their culture to be preferred to others. Most classify others as different to them and seek to bond with their own kind. And when conflict develops between their own people and another ethnic crowd, ranks close within your own. This is a natural outcome of the human condition that has existed from the beginning of civilized community.
Zionism is a political movement. To equate motives of politics with a religious belief is specious. Judaism is NOT equivalent to Zionism. The distinction is imperative if a correct understanding of relationships and actions, in the Middle East, are to be appreciated. A Zionist often professes their acceptance of the tenants of the Jewish faith, but a 'true believer' in the supremacy and survivability of a political state, can and frequently are non-believers to Judaism and the Torah. This is crucial, because it is not a condition of political allegiance to share faith in Yahweh.
So far, there should be little argument with these distinctions. But Jews are a race, with very similar characteristic, genetic traits, social and cultural heritage, and a homogeneous ethnic similitude. This is a historic fact that should not be denied. No inference, good or bad, is being made as some may conclude. Surely, one can convert to the Jewish religion from a non Semitic lineage, but that begs the real issue. Racism as practiced by Zionist towards their Arab Semitic half brothers is undeniable. But is such behavior unnatural or even wrong? Of course the answer lies within which group one identifies with and has sympathy for their cause.
It should be indisputable that the political interests for the Zionist are diametrically opposite to that of the Palestine. So why should anyone be surprised when ruthless and savage animosity continues to play out with each successive generation? This is the natural order at work, and is inevitable as long as the fallen nature of man awaits for the return of the Messiah.
At this point, having been tutored and educated as a Catholic, who now freely accepts the fundamental tenets of St. Paul, I must part company with my Jewish friends on matters of faith. Should the Hebrew faithful view me as one among their ranks? Of course not. Nor should I consider them one within my circle of believers. Since it is a fact that the Jews could have prevented the crucifixion of Christ when Pilot appealed to the crowd, some will insist that statement may be anti-Semitic. Quite to the contrary! And more to the point, that remonstrance attitude is a political denunciation more than a religious condemnation.
My many Jewish friends have every right to identify with those that profess their beliefs. Likewise, so do people of the Christian faith have that same right. But when we transverse into the political arena, away from differences in faith, we enter into the realm of interests. Zionist have interests that are quite different from mine. Certainly my advocacy of 'America First' policies don't support theirs. Interests could coincide at times, but more likely have different paths.
When people foster the theme of continuous Jewish suffering and persecution, they abandon their own interests for one of false guilt, which most have never earned. This emotional appeal benefits the Zionist and their political objectives. Conversely, those who reject the manipulations of Zionist propaganda, all too often resent those of Jewish faith. Such mistakes from all sides breeds only negative indignation.
Compounding this confusion with label of left or right just deepens the errors. What matters is your interest. What possible benefit has America received from the perpetual three billion dollar yearly tribute paid to Israel? Add a like amount to Egypt and you come away with a feeling of being robbed. Again where is our interest being served?
Ill will for any or all the participants within the cauldron of continuous turmoil in the Middle East is not our wish. But political support that runs against our benefit is insane. Pragmatic economics would seek to make friends with those who control the oil. But we all know that domestic realities shape foreign politics, and seldom is decided upon that which is best for America. So when will we practice our own form of racism to further our own political interests?
When the corner stone for the Third Temple is finally laid, we all know that our political intervention is meaningless, for events will be fulfilled. Jews and Arabs will never peacefully settle their differences. Zionist understand this reality all too well. So does the Arab world. The United States, once again, involves herself in another futile quagmire that only benefits others, while this foolish intrusion only weakens our own security. For those who continually cry anti-Semitism, our reply is we all come from the same seed. We all worship the same God, but we have different political interests.
The Zionist has all too often abandoned their own religion for the same secular humanism that has sickened our Nation. The Orthodox are consistent and strive to achieve ardent behavior to their faith. The likes of Minister Louis Farrakhan are more sincere for their religion than the ADL is for their creed. In the end we all have the same nature. But we are different because of our ethnic history. Starting by realistically dealing with this truth is not being an evil racist. A rebuff to Zionism does not make one anti-Semitic. And refusing to accept any culpability for the feuds of others, does not lesson our humanity. It is time to cut our losses as well as our costs. Cain killed his brother. The Tower of Babel caused the differences. And many more Abel's are resigned to take their revenge. Peace will only come with the Second Coming. Let's hope that our fellow Semites will hear the call.
SARTRE - August 7, 2001
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IMHO, The world powers have been jockeying for position to safely take possession of Jerusalem for a very long time. Why, you may ask? Good question.....
They most certainly are not. Jews come a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds. They may have been a homogeneous ethnic group 4000 years ago, but that has long since ceased to be.
I'd appreciate your posting your exchange on FR. Thanks.
German Jews looked German; Yemenite Jews looked like Yemenites; Iraqi Jews look like Iraqis; and Ethiopian Jews are coal black.
The great skill Israelis have in penetrating foreign countries is that you often can not distinguish a Jew from his countrymen.
Then there is the story of an American Jewish merchant stranded in Hong Kong on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism. He wanted to go to a synagogue and was directed to one. He entered to find all the congregants Chinese. After the ceremony, the Chinese rabbi came up to him and asked, "Why did you come here?". The American merchant said, "But I'm Jewish". To which the Chinese replied: "But you don't look Jewish".
The Nazis made the Jews wear a yellow patch because they couldn't tell the Jews from the Germans.
I'm unable to follow your link right now, either Sartre's site is down or there is a DNS problem. If I do manage to make such a reply I'd be happy to post it.
The research was basd on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisons: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.
The findings were that most Jewish communities, long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian peninsula do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.
These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations – Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze, than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.
The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.
Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Morrocans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish / Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).
The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.
Although the Ashkenazi (European) community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups, originating in the Middle East.
A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.
I've noticed a lot of anger toward the Muslims lately. In light of what happened on 9/11, and all of the unanswered questions, I can understand the anger. I believe that given time and answers, they will better focus their anger.
Since you replied to this particular post I don't know whether or not you believe it to be anti-Jew, but if you do, I assure you it is not. The purpose was to point out that Zionism is political, not religious
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being anti-Semitic. And I find it amusing that it is the United Nations which created the state of Israel. In fact is was the primary test of the UN's fledgling sovereignty. Sovereignty which many around here hold in very low esteem.
Due to this lofty UN imposition, an apparently endless cycle of violence has been introduced in the Mideast, which threatens to take America down with it.
Well, we Americans will do the best we can given the circumstances we're presented with.
Woe unto the terrorists, in any event...
BJW:"They most certainly are not. Jews come a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds. They may have been a homogeneous ethnic group 4000 years ago, but that has long since ceased to be."
How right you are.
Is there a Jewish race today? The experts say NO
Dont attack me...they said it.
Not quite true. The UN did not create Israel. The UN ended the British Mandate. The Jews then had to fight over the land with Arab armies from Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria. When the fighting was over, the land occupied by the Jewish Army was declared as the State of Israel. The borders of the new state did not match any map drawn by the UN.
Hopefully this will take you to "Breaking the Rules" - View from the Mount. Curser down on the left till you see "Zionism, Racism and anti-Semitism, then click on. If it doesn't work, let me know.
"Woe unto the terrorists, in any event..."
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What more can I say? "God, bless the U.S.A."
I detected rage in your writing. Hope you're calmer now.
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