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New law makes vicious dog caretakers liable
San Jose Mercury News ^ | September 7, 2001

Posted on 09/07/2001 7:42:37 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Gov. Gray Davis signed a bill into law Thursday allowing future criminal prosecution of a caretaker of a vicious dog, not just the owner, if the animal kills or gravely injures someone.

The legislation was introduced by Assemblywoman Carole Migden, D-San Francisco, after 33-year-old Diane Whipple was mauled to death by a Presa Canario-mastiff dog in a hallway of her San Francisco apartment building in January.

The muscular dog, named Bane, and a second Presa Canario, Hera, were owned by prison inmate Paul ``Cornfed'' Schneider. But at the time, the animals were in the care of Whipple's neighbors, San Francisco attorneys Robert Noel and Marjorie Knoller.

Knoller was walking Bane and Hera at the time of the attack. She has been charged with second-degree murder, and Noel faces manslaughter charges.

Bane was put to death after the attack. The two lawyers are still pursuing legal appeals to save Hera.

Schneider, an inmate at Pelican Bay State Prison, meanwhile is among seven inmates charged this week in a separate federal indictment with a list of violent crimes allegedly orchestrated from behind bars. The indictment makes no mention of the dog mauling.

The San Francisco District Attorney's Office is aiming to show that Knoller and Noel knew the dogs were dangerous when they agreed to care for them.


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I'm not a great fan of the nanny state, but I don't have a problem with this law, at least from this report. I look forward to the discussion.
1 posted on 09/07/2001 7:42:37 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I have been involved with the dog fancy for many years. I feel the handler is responsible for the dog's behavior, period. If a person is not sure they can shoulder this responsibility they should not take responsibility for the dog.
2 posted on 09/07/2001 7:48:59 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I would tend to agree with you. In a free society, accountibility is paramount. If one allows their dog to kill someone, the owner (caretaker) must be held responsible. If a dogs owner doesn't meet his obligation in socializing and training his animal, you can't blame the dog.
3 posted on 09/07/2001 7:52:14 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: DeaconBenjamin
It does seem like a reasonable law for once.

Interesting it took the mauling of a lesbian to enact such a law. Before that they couldn't care less.

4 posted on 09/07/2001 8:21:27 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: jmp702
If one allows their dog to kill someone, the owner (caretaker) must be held responsible.

allows? or just if the dog kills (or injures) someone?
if that’s the case, how about the owners own spawn?
...or do we forgive the owner and charge the dog when the dog
reaches 3 (you know, dog years)?

no, i agree the owners should accept responsibility, but
what do you do with the single mom who bought a rottie and
has discovered a pony running her house? jail her? maybe,
but it just seems common sense has taken a vacation in this day
and age, and the nanny state has put (put on your seatbelt) taking any
sense of personal responsibility to code. in my book, that sucks.

5 posted on 09/07/2001 8:31:07 PM PDT by glock rocks (fmcdh)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Before, the victim was first in line to take the matter to court and sue. Now the state will get involved and by the time the state is through with the dog owner, the victim won't get a dime.

The only thing this will do is hold people accountable who never had money in the first place.

6 posted on 09/07/2001 8:55:42 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: glock rocks
but it just seems common sense has taken a vacation in this day

Common sense has taken a vacation, as well as the notion that we are responsible for our behavior. If we wish to acquire a dog that is potentially dangerous, the owners obligation is to make sure that he/she is capable of devoting the time and energy necessary to train and socialize that dog.

Ignoring that responsibility then leads to infringing on others freedom to be in a public place without fear of attack by ones dog.

If an innocent child or adult is injured or killed as a result of a negligent owner, that owner should be held to some legal responsibility.

My litmus test is to image how I would feel if a loved one was the victim. I would want this negligent dog owner to be accountable. There are situations where some limited gov't is necessary...:)

7 posted on 09/07/2001 8:57:29 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: Shooter 2.5
Not to mention putting alot more money in the pockets of the lawyers.
8 posted on 09/07/2001 9:01:26 PM PDT by willyone
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To: jmp702
I would want this negligent dog owner to be accountable.

zactly. and that is the issue i was struggling with...
there is a difference between negligence and depraved indifference,
in other words, this article is about people who not only owned
dogs who would chew you or me up, and were not only allowed to do so,
but were apparently encouraged.

there is a difference between someone who raises a junkyard dog
and someone whose dog is not trained. i.e. stupidity vs. malice.

be careful what you criminalize, because you and i have been
stupid, at some time. :-)

9 posted on 09/07/2001 9:10:21 PM PDT by glock rocks (...and if so, should be accountable.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
This is nothing new...
10 posted on 09/07/2001 9:11:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: glock rocks
I see your point. However there are certain breeds of dogs of which it is common knowledge that are potentially dangerous. In many instances, these dogs are adopted specifically because of this trait. Is not properly training one of these breeds stupidity or malicious?
11 posted on 09/07/2001 9:23:05 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: DeaconBenjamin
There's more to this story than was reported in this article, Marjorie Knoller was having sex with the dogs.

I only wish I was kidding.

12 posted on 09/07/2001 9:24:04 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: jmp702
... adopted specifically because of this trait. Is not properly training one of these breeds stupidity or malicious?

both.

the orneriest dog i ever owned was, ready?, a lab... i raise and train
rotties, and they get a bad name due to stupid and malicious owners.
i certainly don’t want to see anyone bitten, but when we criminalize
stupidity, who’s going to feed us all in prison?

13 posted on 09/07/2001 9:38:00 PM PDT by glock rocks (kibbles and bits, anyone?)
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To: glock rocks
but when we criminalize stupidity, who’s going to feed us all in prison?

LOL.

What would you propose as justice for the victim and his survivors?

14 posted on 09/07/2001 9:48:25 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: glock rocks
What will become of the "one bite" rule?
15 posted on 09/07/2001 9:59:53 PM PDT by Current Freeper By That Name
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To: Current Freeper By That Name
What will become of the "one bite" rule?

dunno... you’ll have to contact nod (national organization of dawgs). ask for ms. gandy.

16 posted on 09/07/2001 10:14:35 PM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
See my reply #10 for the definition of, "assault dog."
17 posted on 09/07/2001 10:24:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack
"assault dog."

thanks for the link, joe. i read that article on the way down this string...

this is my favorite

18 posted on 09/07/2001 10:29:05 PM PDT by glock rocks
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