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THE SAVIOR LIFTED UP & FAITH
RnMomof7 | 9/7/01 | Charles Finney

Posted on 09/07/2001 3:24:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7

THE SAVIOR LIFTED UP & FAITH

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."-John iii. 14, 15.

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (This he said, signifying what death he should die.)"-John xii. 32, 33.

IN order to make this subject plain, I will read the passage referred to-Num. xxi. 6-9. "And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that He take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."

This is the transaction to which Christ alluded in the text. The object in both cases was to save men from the bite of the serpent, its influence being unchecked, is the death of the body: the effects of sin, unpardoned and uncleansed from the heart, are the ruin of the soul. Christ is lifted up, to the end that sinners, believing in Him, may not perish, but may have eternal life. In such a connection, to perish cannot mean annihilation, for it must be the antithesis of eternal life, and this is plainly much more than eternal existence. It must be eternal happiness -- real life in the sense of exquisite enjoyment. The counterpart of this, eternal misery, is presented under the term "perish." It is common in the Scriptures to find a state of endless misery contrasted with one of endless happiness.

We may observe two points of analogy between the brazen serpent and Christ.

1. Christ must be lifted UP as the serpent was in the wilderness. From the passage quoted above out of John xii. it is plain that this refers to His being raised up from the earth upon His cross at His crucifixion.

2. Christ must be held up as a remedy for sin, even as the brazen serpent was as a remedy for a poison. It is not uncommon in the Bible to see sin represented as a malady. For this malady, Christ had healing power. He professed to be able to forgive sin and to cleanse the soul from its moral pollution. Continually did He claim to have this power and encourage men to rely upon Him and to resort to Him for its application. In all His personal instructions He was careful to hold up Himself as having this power, and as capable of affording a remedy for sin.

In this respect the serpent of brass was a type of Christ. Whoever looked upon this serpent was healed. So Christ heals not from punishment only, for to this the analogy of healing is less pertinent -- but especially from sinning -- from the heart to sin. He heals the soul and restores it to health. So it was said by the announcing angel, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. His power avails to cleanse and purify the soul.

Both Christ and the serpent were held up each as a remedy. and let it be specially noted -- as a full and adequate remedy, The ancient Hebrews, bitten by fiery serpents, were not to mix up nostrums of their own devising to help out the cure: it was all- sufficient for them to look up to the remedy of God's own providing. God would have them understand that the healing was altogether His own work. The serpent on a pole was the only external object connected with their cure; to this they were to look, and in this most simple way -- only by an expecting look, indicative of simple faith, they received their cure.

Christ is to be lifted up as a present remedy. So was the serpent. The cure wrought then was present, immediate. It involved no delay.

This serpent was God's appointed remedy. So is Christ, a remedy appointed of God, sent down from heaven for this express purpose. It was indeed very wonderful that God should appoint a brazen serpent for such a purpose such a remedy for such a malady; and not less wonderful is it that Christ should be lifted up in agony and blood, as a remedy for both the punishment and the heart-power of sin.

The brazen serpent was a divinely-certified remedy; not a nostrum gotten up as thousands are, under high-sounding names and flaming testimonials; but a remedy prepared and brought forth by God Himself, under His own certificate of its ample healing virtues.

So was Christ. The Father testifies to the perfect adequacy of Jesus Christ as a remedy for sin.

Jesus Christ must now be held up from the pulpit as one crucified for the sins of men. His great power to save lay in His atoning, death.

He must not only be held up from the pulpit, but this exhibition of His person and work must be endorsed, and not contradicted by the experience of those who behold Him.

Suppose that in Moses' time many who looked were seen to be still dying; who could have believed the unqualified declaration of Moses, that "every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live?" So here in the Gospel and its subjects. Doubtless the Hebrews had before their eyes many living witnesses who had been bitten and yet bore the scars of those wounds; but who, by looking, had been healed. Every such case would go to confirm the faith of the people in God's word and in His own power to save. So Christ must be represented in His fullness, and this representation should be powerfully endorsed by the experience of His friends. Christ represents Himself as one ready and willing to save This, therefore, is the thing to be shown. This must be sustained by the testimony of His living witnesses, as the first point of analogy is the lifting up of the object to be looked upon, the second is this very looking itself.

Men looked upon the serpent, expecting divine power to heal them. Even those ancient men, in that comparatively dark age, understood that the serpent was only a type, not the very cause in itself of salvation.

So is there something very remarkable in the relation of faith to healing. Take, for illustration, the case of the woman who had an issue of blood. She had heard something about Jesus, and somehow had caught the idea that if she could but touch the hem of His garment, she should be made whole. See her pressing her way along through the crowd, faint with weakness, pale, and trembling; if you had seen her you would perhaps have cried out, What would this poor dying invalid do?

She knew what she was trying to do. At last unnoticed of all, she reached the spot where the Holy One stood and put forth her feeble hand and touched His garment. Suddenly He turns Himself and asks, Who was it that touched me? Somebody touched me: who was it? The disciples, astonished at such a question, put under such circumstances, reply -- The multitude throng Thee on every side, and scores are touching Thee every hour; why then ask -- Who touched me?

The fact was, somebody had touched Him with faith to be healed thereby, and He knew that the healing virtue had gone forth from Himself to some believing heart. How beautiful an illustration this of simple faith! And how wonderful the connection between the faith and the healing!

Just so the Hebrews received that wonderful healing power by simply looking toward the brazen serpent. No doubt this was a great mystery to them, yet it was none the less a fact. Let them look; the looking brings the cure, although not one of them can tell how the healing virtue comes. So we are really to look to Christ, and in looking, to receive the healing power. It matters not how little we understand the mode in which the looking operates to give us the remedy for sin.

This looking to Jesus implies that we look away from ourselves. There is to be no mixing up of quack medicines along with the great remedy. Such a course is always sure to fail. Thousands fail in just this way, forever trying to be healed partly by their own stupid, self-willed works, as well as partly by Jesus Christ. There must be no looking to man or to any of man's doings or man's help. All dependence must be on Christ alone. As this is true in reference to pardon, so is it also in reference to sanctification. This is done by faith in Christ. It is only through and by faith that you get that divine influence which sanctifies the soul -- the Spirit of God; and this in some of its forms of action was the power that healed the Hebrews in the wilderness.

Looking to Christ implies looking away from ourselves in the sense of not relying at all on our own works for the cure desired, not even on works of faith. The looking is toward Christ alone as our all-prevalent, all-sufficient and present remedy.

There is a constant tendency in Christians to depend on their own doings, and not on simple faith in Christ. The woman of the blood-issue seems to have toiled many years to find relief before she came to Christ; had no doubt tried everybody's prescriptions, and taxed her own ingenuity bee sides to its utmost capacity, but all was of no avail. At last she heard of Jesus. He was said to do many wonderful works. She said within herself -- This must be the promised Messiah -- who was to "bear our sicknesses" and heal all the maladies of men. O let me rush to Him, for if I may but touch the hem of His garment, I shall be whole. She did not stop to philosophize upon the mode of the cure; she leaned on no man's philosophy, and had none of her own; she simply said -- I have heard of One who is mighty to save, and I flee to Him.

So of being healed of our sins. Despairing of all help in ourselves or in any other name than Christ's, and assured there is virtue in Him to work out the cure, we expect it of Him and come to Him to obtain it.

Several times within the last few years, when persons have come to me with the question, Can I anyhow be saved from my sins -- actually saved, so as not to fall again into the same sins, and under the same temptations? I have said -- Have you ever tried looking to Jesus? O yes.

But have you expected that you should be actually saved from sin by looking to Jesus, and be filled with faith, love, and holiness? No; I did not expect that.

Now, suppose a man had looked at the brazen serpent for the purpose of speculation. He has no faith in what God says about being cured by looking, but he is inclined to try it. He will look a little and watch his feelings to see how it affects him. He does not believe God's word, yet since he does not absolutely know but it may be true, he will condescend to try it. This is no looking at all in the sense of our text. It would not have cured the bitten Israelite; it can. not heal the poor sinner. There is no faith in it.

Sinners must look to Christ with both desire and design to be saved. Salvation is the object for which they look.

Suppose one had looked towards the brazen serpent, but with no willingness or purpose to be cured. This could do him no good. Nor can it do sinners any good to think of Christ otherwise than as a Savior, and a Savior for their own sins.

Sinners must look to Christ as a remedy for all sin. To wish to make some exception, sparing some sins, but consenting to abandon others, indicates rank rebellion of heart, and can never impose on the All-seeing One. There cannot be honesty in the heart which proposes to itself to seek deliverance from sin only in part.

Sinners may look to Christ at once -- without the least delay. They need not wait till they are almost dead under their malady. For the bitten Israelite, it was of no use to wait and defer his looking to the serpent till he found himself in the jaws of death. He might have said -- I am wounded plainly enough, but I do not see as it swells much yet; I do not feel the poison spreading through my system; I cannot look yet, for my case is not yet desperate enough; I could not hope to excite the pity of the Lord in my present condition, and therefore I must wait. I say, there was no need of such delay then and no use of it. Nor is there any more need or use for it in the sinner's case now.


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To: fortheDeclaration
BTW, since you now cling desperately to a definition of "beget" as being synonymous with "create", have you yet found a verse which indicates that a woman can "beget" anything?

Just a single instance from scripture. That's all I ask. Just one. Even from the corrupt modern translations.

Show me or admit your error. This is a factual matter after all, not a theological matter that might be disputed based on translation or interpretation over which various Christian traditions might disagree. Of course, if you find even one instance of a woman "begetting" anything, I will still have you outnumbered by many hundreds, probably thousands, to one.

I really don't see how you take expect anyone to take you seriously unless you resolve this.
201 posted on 09/14/2001 7:09:33 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: fortheDeclaration
One of Calvin's 'hang ups' wias the ridiculous piece of philosophical speculation which stated: All the decrees of God are eternal.'Being unable to understand eternity (Isa 57:15) or 'eternal'(where it dealt with what God 'decreed'), all Calvinists applied this dictum to Psalm 2 and got the ridiculous, dogmatic statement on some 'day' (see the text) before Genesis 1, God begat another God... Amazing what us Calvinists must believe. Well, I don't believe it in this way nor do I expect to apply such solutions. Again, you misrepresent Calvinists and place words in our mouths. You are sadly misinformed that all Calvinists have a common theology outside the TULIP. There are, on other scriptural matters, "Calvinists" who I find as unorthodox as I find you and who embrace many of the same ideas as you do. You probably don't even grasp yet that some "Calvinists", probably still a majority even though we others are gaining ground, are only four-pointers and deny Limited Atonement. My own Baptist church is four-point. I've decided not to dispute it with them as I don't consider this belief absolutely central to good preaching and Gospel teaching. Merely to an accurate and full theology of scripture.

(Peter Ruckman, Bible Believers Bulletin,Vo.3.p.457-58,) I note that you seem to quote Ruckman exclusively. I'm afraid you modernist defenders of the KJV have been mislead by Ruckman on a number of issues. He may be better than the ridiculous Riplinger but that's not much of a commendation. My claims for the superiority of the KJV are based on the far sounder and more thorough scholarship of earlier generations. The best single example would be Dean Burgon of Chichester, a thorough defender on all aspects concerning the Authorized. Ruckman is something of a huckster and an opportunist with very some questionable scholarship over the course of his career. However, I would say the same of Boettner, a modern Calvinist who is greatly admired by a few Calvinists here at FR.

Modernists! God help us all.

202 posted on 09/14/2001 7:21:31 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: fortheDeclaration
I am totally willing to use the usage found in the Bible relating to the male (sired) which does nothing to remove you from your dilemna. I have no dilemma. You do but don't see it, I think. Hopefully, it won't impede you spiritually.

However, if you want to pretend I have committed some 'heresy' (as did Woody and Spudgin did before you-modus operendi of the Calvinists when they can't defend their heresies, attack the other person as a heretic (e.g.Servetus), go right ahead. But you might need to go running to Uriel to for some more ammo.And Uriel has not addressed anthing to me, lest he pretends that I did not reply! I didn't notice where Woody or Spudgin said that you are a heretic or whether they believe that their disagreement with you would indicate that, in their opinion, you hold a fatal heresy or merely an erroneous understanding of the full teachings of scripture. Not all heresies or failures to understand the full gospel are necessarily fatal to one's personal salvation.

As far as Uriel, I just enjoy his work. He's a very bright man and contends diligently for full scriptural truth and probably has done better over the course of time in holding the full truth of the scripture while guarding himself against harsh comments, even when provoked. He is not perfect but is rather exemplary in this. Something I've learned to admire. We must hold the truth in love. Truth without love or love without truth is of no value to God. And we are to hold both truth and love in obedience. Uriel has a real passion for this sort of teaching.

An unceasing condemnation and questioning of the faith of others, especially in an anonymous forum, is a pretty tough "love". And it's very easy for anger to turn it into no more than self-righteousness and pride. There are times when the tone of our debate actually does harm the cause of Calvinist doctrine. There are times when the harshness of all participants doesn't show much of the impact of Christ's teaching on any of us.

You guys are a bunch of liars-period You've hardly established a case for anything you've said. Now, you're name-calling. Pretty weak. Pretty indicative to any thoughtful reader. I suggest you examine your heart and my suggestion has nothing to do with any dispute or discussion of the meaning and usage of the word "beget" or the nature of the Trinity.

Even so, come Lord Jesus (and bring George W. Bush a brain and the heart to learn) Actually, the other Calvinists consider me refractory as well. I could point you to previous threads if you like. With the exception of Uriel, I expect the other four regular Calvinists to consider me to be a greater problem than you. You have noticed, I think, that they will not even address me generally. It would simply take too much time to tell you here of all the things they have accused me of. So, you should be happy that you're not the only one who thinks I'm unsaved because I don't agree with you. I could provide you with a list of their accusations if it would save you any time in making up your own. And it seems their prayers and reasoning have not prevailed upon me either. Yet I hold my faith as a gift of God. I trust in Him and try not to offend Him too much or embarass Him by my behavior and speech after I have laid my claim to His cross. It seems that I do, unknowingly sometimes, a few small things that do not displease Him too much from time to time, weak and flawed as I am. And I am puzzled at how I am suddenly flung into situations now where I must claim Him or deny Him. I don't really understand it but it is important to Him that others should know that I lay my claim on His cross. It's kind of strange how this has worked since I was once a most wicked and ungodly man.

203 posted on 09/14/2001 7:50:42 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
To George W. Bush-You started this attack, so save the 'poor me' routine.

I do not know my Bible because I used 'gave birth' instead of 'sired'?

Check out Zech.13:3 'and it shall come to pass, that when any shall ye prophesy then his father AND HIS MOTHER THAT BEGAT HIM,...

Do you know how the NAS translates that verse?

And I will come about that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother WHO GAVE BIRTH TO HIM...

You want to run to the NAS when the KJ will not fit your theology (Jn.1:18 Phil.2:6)?

You displayed your spirit when you sneered at what appeared to be a misstep on my part, trying to dismiss EVERYTHING I had brought up.

This is a common tactic among your Calvinistic club-attack, attack and attack and then hold up hands and cry Christian brotherhood!

Regarding lying, Uriel had stated he had contacted me regarding some point he had made and I had not responded (I assumed Fdc referred to me, I asked him, but He never responed to my inquiry).

This is the theological brethren you want to side with-let the blind lead the blind!

Even so, come Lord Jesus

204 posted on 09/14/2001 12:30:29 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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