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And did Izetbegovic and Zimmerman go about planning and then executing a scheme involving the cleansing of 70% of Bosnia and bring back Concentration Camps to Europe after a 47 year hiatus?

No, they didn't, did they.

Lisbon would have resulted in the partitioning of Bosnia into 3 ethnically based areas, and the Croats, Muslims, and Serbs were mixed up enough to make it an unworkable scheme, given what was transpiring next door.

The Lisbon plan, by the way, allotted 44% of Bosnia to the Serbs (in discontiguous lumps), yet in '92 they went and grabbed an extra 26% of the country.

Just to show that they were bargaining in good faith, I suppose.

Camps... those without barb wire, gun towers - right? Or you mean the concnentration camp on football field of Prishtina?

What concentration camps, B? Will you ever, ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, provide some evidence? Oh yeah, those "Serbs" in the photo have WHITE STRIPES hanging from their shoulder. Pretty uncommon for the BSA, if you ask me.

Both pictures posted here are genuine and true!About the second one from Bjeljina:people on the ground are Muslims and are dead!I have some others,even more gruesome,but can`t post it!Soldiers on the picture are Arkan`s boys!But...There is always,but!What was done in Bjeljina,in the presence of reporters is a crime and stupidity,and has no excuse!It doesn`t metter that Bjeljina Muslims promised Serbs that they will be slaughtered.It doesn`t metter that all Serbs in the police were fired in `90,and many of them from schools,hospital and municypal services!It doesn`t metter that lists were prepared in the SDA(Muslim Party)of the prominent Serbs and their failies to be killed!Bijeljina is a strategic point in Bosnia and when Serbs performed this preemptive strike to secure the town(and that is what it was)killings like this were unnecessary and inhumane!One picture(despite the fact that number of civillian casualities was very low,arr two dozen) was enough to criminilize the whole thing!The fact that this family was taken out of the house from which fire was opened on Serbian forces,makes no difference!Dead woman,kicked in the head,is enough for me!Army doesn`t fight like that!Period!

Hoplite,I admire your "simplistic" view of history!If Soviets didn`t invade Afganistan we wouldn`t have Taliban and Mujahedins in Bosnia!!!!!
The fact that Russians introduced civic society,with schools for everybody,medicare,and our(Christian) sistem into Afganistan is unknown to you!It would be nice if you could,as a great researcher,find a monumental TV series "Cold War"!Maybe,just maybe,than,you would learn some things!
Your comment about "Serbs in April-Mujahedins in June" is so sad and laughable that doesn`t deserve an answer!
Another pearl of wisdom is "Iranian offer of 10 000 soldiers refused"!Well,Hopie,we(US) can`t so blatantly introduce Iran into the hearth of Europe!Volontiers are more convinient!
You see,Hopie,(you don`t mind if I call you Hopie,do you?)some of us have an (dis)advantage of living previously in Yugoslavia!You,I assume,don`t!So,some of us knew the atmosphere,bar talks,TV programs,newspapers,participated actively in some events!And expirienced war!
You didn`t!
You ,Hopie,don`t know a thing about Yugoslavia,former or present!And,not only about Yuigoslavia!
It is a pity that time machine is impossible,because I would like to invite you (and not only you) on a trip in `89!So that you can listen fascist rant of Tudjman`s followers in my birth town of Mostar!"We didn`t kill enough of you,Serbian dogs!This time we`ll finish the job!" "Ante(Pavelich) rise !" "Serbs on willows! Dogs(Serbs) go over Drina!"Or that you can see letter U (for Ustashe) written everywhere!
Or,I would take you on the other side of town to hear Muslims saying"You and Croats were always raya(serfs) and we were always beys(masters)!When we reach 50,0001% of Bosnian population we (Muslims) will fuck your mother!"Nice,isn`t it?
Or,I would give you a Motorola in 91 to listen the conversation between Croat and Serbian policemen in Krajina in which a Croat(former colleague and "friend" of thhe Serb) is describing what he and his palls will do to the Serbs and someones wife and children in particular!I would like you to see the tears of a man who didn`t cry when I amputated his foot but cried at the hatred and betrayal of a man who he considered to be a family friend!And,I would like you to hear a Muslim guy from Bihach,joining in the converstaion and promising that "next year (92) will be a play-off in Bosnia and that both Chedo(Chetnik-Serb) and Ujo(Ustasha-Croat)will have their throaths slitt!Alahu Akbar!"
I would really like to introduce you to your friends, nice Croats and innocent Muslims,not to mention your beloved KLA!It would be a true memorable expirience!
But,for what purpose?People like you don`t learn!

>>>>The Lisbon plan, by the way, allotted 44% of Bosnia to the Serbs (in discontiguous lumps), yet in '92 they went and grabbed an extra 26% of the country.<<<<<

Thanks, Hoplite, the private property is the pillar of Western Civilisation if you havent' heard.That's why communists were agaist private property.
Prior to 1991 Serbs OWNED 67% of land in Bosnia Herzegovina. Serbs were mostly peasants who owned land, forrests, Muslims were were townsfolk and owned litle lland and forrest.

Even Lisbon Agreement was infavorable to Serbs, they ACCEPTED IT. Muslims were ones who rejected it.

"Grabbing" of Serb own land occured AFTER Muslims rejected the plan.

You are so helpful in exposing common misconceptions and outright lies that I consider you valuable asset on FR. But Bosnian Muslims are not very happy about your performance, for sure. Just to keep you up to date, Bosnia will be forced to compensate Serbs for stolen land and envoys are already begging for money in Arab states to build compensation fund.