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To: pegleg
The authenticity of the shorter recension has now been acknowledged by both Catholic and Protestant scholars including Lightfoot, Harnack, Zahn and Funk.

I don't know much about Zahn or Lightfoot, but I would think Harnack's and Funk's methodologies would force them to the shorter version no matter what the case. One of the top rules of the Bib-Crits is the shorter the text, the more likely its original. Not the most objective standard, but at least they seem to be consistent.

Harnack is famous, among other things, rejecting major doctrines of Christianity such as the Virgin birth, the deity and pre-existence of Jesus, the Resurrection of the body, the possibility of miracles, the existence of demons, exorcism and Jesus as the promised Messiah. But, other than that, he's a good Proddie.

Funk is the founder of the Jesus Seminar. Next.

Lightfoot has good credentials (as far as I can see) and is quite the language expert.

Zahn - not Paula, I suppose. Not finding much in the way of Zahnian Biblical scholarship.

53 posted on 09/07/2001 1:19:11 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
Zahn - not Paula, I suppose. Not finding much in the way of Zahnian Biblical scholarship.

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Try Theodor Zahn - he's a big name in Evangelical biblical scholarship. Surprised you never heard of him.

55 posted on 09/07/2001 1:49:04 AM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: the808bass
Lightfoot - as in Right Reverend Joseph Barber Lightfoot (J.B. Lightfoot). 19th century Anglican biblical scholar, translator. Plenty of his stuff available online. Try searching for "J.B. Lightfoot."
56 posted on 09/07/2001 1:55:45 AM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: the808bass
Lightfoot has good credentials (as far as I can see) and is quite the language expert.

Here is the Lightfoot translation. Although he does acknowledge the Ignatius letter as authentic, he translates universal in lieu of Catholic church.

8:6 Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be;
8:7 even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal Church.

Lightfoot Translation

Still looking for the Paula Zahn translation.-:)

62 posted on 09/07/2001 4:51:50 AM PDT by pegleg
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