Posted on 09/06/2001 2:23:00 PM PDT by malakhi
The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 138
In an attempt to answer let me start with a question...
what do you think would happen if the wages of sin were a nickel?
grace and peace to you
God bless
Here is the Lightfoot translation. Although he does acknowledge the Ignatius letter as authentic, he translates universal in lieu of Catholic church.
8:6 Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be;
8:7 even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal Church.
Still looking for the Paula Zahn translation.-:)
Give me some credit al.
Sorry. Credit given.
I would be classified as a Catholic revert. Raised Catholic through grade school, joined a Southern Baptist Church in junior high, then returned to the Catholic Church when I was in my 20’s. I was a cafeteria Catholic until a few years ago (I'm in my 40's). I guess you could say I've been all over the map.
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And from The Word Among Us ...
He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:17)
How can Paul's words about Jesus do anything but inspire us with awe and wonder? Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, is the firstborn of all creation. Everything in heaven and on earth was made for him. He alone is the perfect image of the invisible God, and nothing in the whole of creation can compare with him.
Paul didn't write these things about Jesus to portray him as a distant, unapproachable deity who has no interest in us mere mortals. No, Paul spoke of Jesus’ grandeur in order to give us a sense of security concerning the life we have inherited in him. If Jesus is truly the one in whom God’s fullness is pleased to dwell, then without a doubt he is able to give us "the inheritance of the saints in light" (Colossians 1:12). The more we come to know Jesus as the holy and powerful Son of God, the more confident and peaceful we will become in every situation we face.
What do you see when you envision Jesus? Do you imagine the eternal Son of God, filled with all power and authority, making a way through death into life for you? Do you see the one through whom all things were created offering himself to the Father because of his covenant with you? Everything holds together in Jesus. He is ever faithful to his promises, and he will not abandon you in your hour of need.
Perhaps a loved one is seriously ill or has died. Run to Jesus, knowing that he holds you and your loved one in the palm of his hand. He who is the first-born from the dead will give you the strength and peace you need. Perhaps you face a difficult relationship with a relative or coworker. Allow Jesus, through whom God has reconciled all things to himself, to guide you in repentance and reconciliation. If you feel alone or distant from God, reach out to Jesus. Remember that God has given you peace through the blood of his cross. He will answer you!
"Glory to you, Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ! I worship you for your immense power and glory, but I also rejoice in your intimate love. What more is there for me to do but to kneel at your feet in adoration?"
Have a great day and an even better weekend! (I'll try and remember to keep posting the readings through the weekend).
al_c ... convert to Catholicism.
Correction ... the actions of some members of the church. The official church teaching is not worship.
"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
The priest explained that in this context the word “hate” means to love less. So therefore, God is to be loved above everyone else. I hope all priests giving homilies offer an explanation here. Anyone taking a literal interpretation here could get confused.
"What you do to the least of one of these, you do to me."
Why is the wages of sin death?
When we do wrong it IS a sin against God. When we wrong another member of the body of Christ (we're all members of that body), then we wrong Christ. When we sin, we turn our backs on God. When we turn our backs on God, we're choosing the opposite of eternal life. What is that opposite? You got it ... death.
You're welcome.
Last night in my bible study we studied the readings for this Sunday. The gospel reading will be from Luke 14:25-33. In verse 26 it reads.
"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
Powerful message there. Kinda goes along with the passage where Jesus tells the people that He came to cause division. Another one of those passages that when taken in the wrong context can cause much confusion.
The priest explained that in this context the word “hate” means to love less. So therefore, God is to be loved above everyone else. I hope all priests giving homilies offer an explanation here. Anyone taking a literal interpretation here could get confused.
Now I'm looking forward to Sunday morning! Can't wait to hear what the priest says.
Actually, P2BA, the rules for ritual slaughter in Temple times are the same rules still used today in kosher slaughterhouses. The shochet uses a perfectly sharp blade and makes one deep, clean stroke across the throat that severs the carotid arteries. This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible. Also, while the animals were sacrificed, the meat was not wasted. These were animals that were going to be eaten anyway! So no unnecessary pain or suffering was done to the animals.
As for why this was done. Fundamentalists will say that this is simply what God decreed. Modernists will say that the Jews copied the sacrifice techniques from other middle eastern cultures. Obviously, animal sacrifice was known to Abraham. Jethro, a priest of Midian, instructed Moses on how to offer sacrifice. I think the underlying principle was giving something of value back to God. Back then, livestock was the most precious commodity. If you upset your wife, you might bring her flowers or chocolates. The Israelites offered up what they had of value to God as a symbol of repentence.
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Maybe you need to let her post some. You'll get her hooked just like BigMack got Becky addicted. 'Course, then she'd hog all the computer time, and you'd never get to talk to us (anyone heard from BigMack lately?).
Wherever it is, I'm sure its flashing its sexy legs, sneering at Republicans, sucking up to Democrats, and getting fired for shopping itself around to other scholars.
Agreed on all points. But do you think JHavard will accept it after all this?
Remember also animal sacrafice did not take away sin they just covered it for a year. But God said that Jesus's sacrafice takes it away as if it never happens, and he will remember it no more. This is God's plan. Who are we to question it, and say we have a better way:)
Becky
We were told to pray to saints, Mary, and alot of all the rest that is discussed here, but the whys and whatfores were not. For example when I was a sophmore, for 1/2 the year in my theology class taught by a brother we studied the book "The Source" by James Michener. I remember in 1st grade (amazing huh) that we had a little childrens catechism. Had questions and we memorized the answers, i.e., "Where is God," "God is everywhere," But as far as the stuff I have read here, this deeper stuff, and the stuff I read in the link (catechism) that D-fendr gave me (yes I did read it) not a peep. I never saw a real catechism till recently, I thought the catechism was like the book I had in first grade:) I can remember in highschool getting the one bible we had in the house out of the back of the closet and looking through it and my mother getting very upset and asking me what I was doing reading that. That I shouldn't do that, I wouldn't understand.
So you see alot of this stuff is coming as a surprise to me. One is the question I asked here that D-fendr got so defensive about, Can a dead person guide a living person? I'm sorry, I can't buy that. From all the verse references that were with the link, it looked to me that alot was taken out of context. But I will drop the subject since it seems to cause so much trouble.
Sorry for the ramble:)
Becky
Becky
Becky, can it be that we actually agree on something? ;o)
Remember also animal sacrafice did not take away sin they just covered it for a year.
Of course, it couldn't last long. The sacrifice atoned for the sin. God forgave the sin. The one clear mention of sin being covered is Psalm 32:1, and it says this after saying that the sin was forgiven. The concept that sin was only "covered", not cleansed away, is a Calvinist notion. It would have been foreign to the ancient Israelites.
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