Fox calls Bush "Jorge" (my title)

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[sarcasm]

GOOD GOSH PEOPLE...GET A GRIP!! Our President knows exactly what he is doing! IN all the time I've been a freeper here, I have never seen so many freepers so up tight, mean spirited, insulting to a particular race before.

1. Mexican is not a race.
2. Your statement about being mean-spirited could have come from the mouth of a democrat.
3. I hope that you enjoy paying $ 30 BILLION annually to provide government benefits to these lawbreakers.
4. Bush will destroy the Republican party if he proceeds with this inane policy.

[Ditto]

So how did the moneyless Central American Illegals get past the Mexican Border patrol and hundreds of miles North to invade America?

Who said they are 'moneyless'? Poor maybe, but their entire family or village will save to send a member 'North'. What they can make and save in a month in the US to send home is more than they can make in a year there. And getting by the Mexican border patrol is no big trick. It only takes pennies.

If I were stuck in some hell hole down there, I'd head North too.

[madrussian]

Meanwhile, legally red/white/blue brown skins here with a Mexican last name are getting a little touchy about the Mexican bashing, saying rightfully that if INS ever raided the Irish bars in Santa Monica California, raided for Brits/Aussies/Kiwis they could fill a bus. Good point.

Only a bus? How many buses can they fill with illegal Mexicans? Can you characterize the problem of illegal immigration by Brits/Aussies/Kiwis as serious? Can you do the same for Mexicans? See the difference?

[anniegetyourgun]

I wouldn't want to destroy the tone, dontchaknow.

[Ditto]

May I remind people that the United States (New England) was a penal colony before independence?

Where in the hell did you get that piece of misinformation.

[madrussian]

If I were stuck in some hell hole down there, I'd head North too.

What's up with all the advocates of illegal immigration confessing to being ready to commit a crime?

[L.N. Smithee]

Try thinking with your mind AND YOUR HEART use a little empathy, and reflect on what Jesus would do.

Jesus would never be in politics.

[FRlurker]

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[anniegetyourgun]

You're right....He just "sets above nations whom He will"...

[KirklandJunction]

From Santa Monica they'd have a tough time filling a bus with illegal Mexicans. Go look yourself. Central Americans maybe.

Serious? If you're a 'murican trying to get a job in an Irish-style bar, you don't have a chance. Is that serious?

If your criteria is "illegal", then any illegal is serious. If your criteria is "Mexican", or "brown skin" then you have a whole different set of problems.

You might be getting real close to chasing Mexicans rather than chasing illegals.

Do your thing.

[madrussian]

Two Amigos, Bush and Fox, Go to Toledo, Ohio

By Randall Mikkelsen

TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - Two amigos came to Toledo on Thursday. Traveling to Ohio was President Bush (news - web sites)'s way of showing his state visitor, Mexican President Vicente Fox (news - web sites), a quintessential part of America beyond Washington.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said the visit here was meant to highlight the close bilateral relationship, in an area with a growing Hispanic population. The two leaders were to address Hispanic groups.

``Compared to American history of not treating Mexico well and not treating Mexico with respect, this is a wonderful departure from a long tradition that has too many ups and downs,'' Fleischer said.

Bush gave his visitor a brief birdseye tour of Washington in the presidential helicopter, before the pair flew to Toledo aboard Air Force One.

Bush also met with Marcy Kaptur, Toledo's congressional representative and one of the most vociferous opponents of the NAFTA trade pact with Mexico and Canada. She said she pressed her case for continent-wide wage and labor standards.

Toledo has substantial and growing Hispanic population, estimated at about 4.5 percent of Kaptur's district.

Upon returning to Washington, Fox was to play host to Bush at a dinner at Blair House, the guest residence across the street from the White House.

Despite evident differences on immigration, the two leaders appeared to be getting along famously, further cementing Bush's strongest relationship with a foreign leader.

Bush, at a joint news conference with Fox on the White House South Lawn, the Marine One helicopter waiting nearby to carry them to Andrews Air Force Base, made clear in a delicate way that having an immigration reform deal by the end of the year would be hard to do.

Fox would like by the end of the year congressional support for an agreement to allow an estimated 3 million undocumented Mexicans to live and work in the United States legally. But the politically thorny proposal has raised opposition from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.

The nettlesome issue of the undocumented Mexicans is one of the most difficult issues separating the two neighbors who share a long border, including the southern border of Texas, Bush's home state.

Bush pledged a ``100 percent effort during the year, and I hope we can come up with a solution.''

``I want to accommodate my friend. He's got a very important role to play. And that is, as a spokesman for Mexican nationals living in this country, as someone who's deeply concerned about their future, their lives, and I completely understand that,'' Bush said.

Bush and Fox dined together on pumpkin-seed encrusted bison at a spicy, Southwestern-flavored state dinner on Wednesday night -- the first held under the new Bush White House.

``We not only have in common that we wear boots, Western boots. We not only have in common that we like to go to rest to our farms. We have in common that we like to see things happen,'' Fox said in his dinner toast.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

There are many bilingual Spanish speakers in the States with very healthy careers.

Your pronunciation attempt at "Jorge" is far from the real thing. And there is oil in their country and no environmentalist wackos. ¡Hasta la vista!

[Ditto]

What's up with all the advocates of illegal immigration confessing to being ready to commit a crime?

1. I do not 'advocate' illegal immigration.

2. Commit a crime by spending 12 hours a day stooped over in California fields or sweating your ass off taring a roof in South Carolina for less than minimum wage? Or stay home and watch your kids go hungry?

How law abiding are you?

Don't blame the immigrants. Blame the corrupt despots in their own countries that give them the incentives to leave home for a hostile land where they have to work like dogs.

[madrussian]

If your criteria is "illegal", then any illegal is serious. If your criteria is "Mexican", or "brown skin" then you have a whole different set of problems.

You might be getting real close to chasing Mexicans rather than chasing illegals.

Serious means "number of illegal immigrants", obviously. How long are you going to play dumb and pretend that it's not Mexico that is the main source of illegal immigration in the US and point towards some mythical Irish bars teaming with illegals and compare that with millions of illegal Mexicans who have their president in the US to lobby for their legalization.

You might be getting close to Jesse Jackson and race-baiting rather than topic at hand.

[madrussian]

Your pronunciation attempt at "Jorge" is far from the real thing.

Is it Whore-geh then?

[Republic]

Republyn: I BET that you would be the FIRST to walk through 500 miles of hot desert, cross a border into a country whose language you do not speak, take ANY job available to FEED your hungry family if your own nation was suffering and had no jobs to offer.

madrussian:You are insulting honest people here by suggesting that they would commit a crime. You are defending criminals who invade this country against the wishes of its population and leech off taxpayers-funded services. You have no shame!

And you have no heart nor do you have the ability to grasp the greater good, the 'down the road' benefits to all by helping a bordering nation grow in economic health with a solid dose of friendhip thrown in for good measure.

[L.N. Smithee]

Mr. Fox made an EXCELLENT speech in Ohio this afternoon over the future of Mexico. Truly it was very inspiring and full of vision for his country. Hopefully someone will post the transcript.

Why don't you find it and post it, because I have yet to hear Fox do anything but imply that somehow Mexican immigrants have earned the right to citizenship, free education, drivers' licenses and more because they are industrious workers and perform menial tasks that others won't. I have just seen him up the ante apropo of nothing at a state dinner by forcing Bush to say yea or nay to formalizing reform by the end of the year.

However, I have NOT heard Fox make a single suggestion as to what it is that HE will do to make his country one that Mexicans don't want to leave -- at least not a suggestion that doesn't involve the United States' surrendering its resources first. And Bush sure doesn't want to bring that subject up -- he seems to just pretend the only people that could possibly object are people that should be ignored, because he's sure doing a good job of that. Who's running this show? Doesn't seem like it's Bush!

If Fox has a great vision for his country, I don't know what it is -- all I know is that he is continually making demands on OUR country. Next time you hear him speak, ask yourself, "What's in it for the USA?" and see if you get in his words anything close to an answer.

Which one is President of The United States?

[Mercuria]

I'd walk 500 miles across a desert, cross a border, take any job I could find in order to feed my hungry family, as well. Who here would not?

I wouldn't.

It would be breaking the law to enter a foreign country with the intent of staying there permanently without going through the legal channels that would permit me to be there.

These lawbreakers are treated with a tremendous amount of civility here, and their proponents actually demand that we be more "compassionate" while saying absofrickinlutely nothing about the evidence that a lot of these invaders have no desire or intention of becoming citizens.

And I wish the pro-open borders crowd would quit using liberal knee-jerk emotion debates to subterfuge the fact that "Mexicans are starving! They're only here to make a better life for themselves, and they're entitled to it!" It's such a major crock. Mexico isn't Somalia. Mexico's economy is not suffering from anything except the mismanagement of its corrupt government...which seems to be in no hurry to reform or change for the better.

If Fox is doing nothing to improve their lot in their own country, he should hardly be wined, dined, and treated as some form of Mexican savior. If his own people won't put the screws to him to shape up their nation, that shouldn't be made OUR problem.

His barking orders at us as if we are to be lackeys to his brand of "compassion" makes him a Zedillo clone.

Of course, it's a lot easier for illegal aliens to steal from our citizens than it would if they remained in their own countries and swiped from their neighbors...or their government.

Try going down to Mexico and breaking a law or two. Steal from their government. Then come back and tell me what a great reform job Vicente is doing.

"Billy...have you ever been in a Mexican jail?"

[madrussian]

1. I do not 'advocate' illegal immigration.

Uhuh, you just don't see anything wrong with it.

2. Commit a crime by spending 12 hours a day stooped over in California fields or sweating your ass off taring a roof in South Carolina for less than minimum wage? Or stay home and watch your kids go hungry?

Uhuh, there is nothing wrong with breaking American laws. It's for the children! What a nice Democrat we have in our midst!

How law abiding are you?

More than you, obviously. And much less gullible to buy rationalization from illegals parasites.

Don't blame the immigrants. Blame the corrupt despots in their own countries that give them the incentives to leave home for a hostile land where they have to work like dogs.

Sure, someone else made them commit a crime, a favorite excuse for criminals of all kinds, American-born included. The society is to blame, blah, blah, blah. And who do you call a corrupt despot? Jorge Bush's friend Vinny?

[Republic]

Jesus would never be in politics.

Oh-sure he was. When he lost it and blew the lid off the psycho pharisees, the power brokers in the temples who has allowed the temples to be defiled with unworthy activities, money changing, etc, he was marching into the beast of the body politic. And he mentioned the need for us to pray for our leaders and ya know, it's a powerful open path when you speak to our Father about our leaders....L.N., I know the gist of what you said...and I agree that Jesus would probably not have been attending a state dinner, lol, but I bet he would be praying to his Father (our Father) about guiding our President and keeping him safe, etc. But....we digress from the topic at hand.