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Fox calls Bush "Jorge" (my title)
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Posted on 09/06/2001 12:40:40 PM PDT by madrussian

By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - Mexican President Vicente Fox (news - web sites), the first state visitor of the Bush presidency, challenged the United States on Wednesday to strike an agreement on immigration by year's end. President Bush (news - web sites) said ``there is no more important relationship'' than with Mexico but did not embrace Fox's ambitious deadline.

The public challenge stunned U.S. officials who have been trying to lower expectations for a deal on the complex and politically risky issue that could legalize millions of undocumented Mexicans. Even some Mexican officials said they had no notice that Fox would push for quick action.

The two-day state visit, an important political event to both Bush and Fox, began promptly at 9:30 a.m. EDT when a military band struck up a Sousa march and the two presidents strolled shoulder to shoulder onto the White House back lawn. Military honor guards stood stone-faced as their battle ribbons, jostled atop flag poles by a cool wind, whipped at their faces.

Bush, hoping to court Hispanic voters for his 2004 re-election bid, said Wednesday's formal welcoming ceremony, one-on-one Oval Office session, rare joint Cabinet meeting and state dinner - along with his and Fox's joint trip Thursday to Ohio - amounted to a ``recognition that the United States has no more important relationship in the world.''

With all the pageantry a president can muster, Bush welcomed Fox to what he called the ``Casa Blanca'' and said, ``We understand that our two nations must work together in a spirit of respect and common purpose to seize opportunities and tackle challenges on the issues that affect the lives of our citizens, including migration, the environment, drugs, crime, corruption and education.''

That included just a glancing reference to the issue that dominates U.S.-Mexican relations: What should be done with the 3 million or so illegal Mexican immigrants who want legal status in America, and millions more in Mexico who want to cross the 2,000-mile border? The president wants an undetermined number of illegal immigrants to become legal.

A joint statement being released Thursday as Bush and Fox tour a Hispanic community center in Toledo, Ohio, commits the pair to forging a ``realistic approach to migration'' that respects ``the human dignity of all migrants, regardless of their (legal) status.''

With a dozen anti-immigration protesters outside the White House gates, Bush and first lady Laura Bush threw Fox an intimate state dinner with an extraordinary finale of fireworks on the South Lawn.

Raising a glass of 7-Up, the teetotaling Bush toasted Fox ``friend to friend, partner to partner, neighbor to neighbor.'' Fox returned the compliment, calling Bush ``Jorge'' and someone he trusts to take action on the immigration problem.

Bush's trip to Mexico in February raised hopes in both countries that an agreement would come quickly, but the leaders have sounded more cautious in recent weeks as congressional conservatives raised objections.

On the eve of their meetings, Bush said the complexity of the issue bars a quick deal and acknowledged that he has ``a lot more selling to do'' in Congress. Fox said Sunday it would take four to six years to complete a comprehensive U.S.-Mexican immigration overhaul.

Flanked by Bush in front of the Truman Balcony, Fox seemed to set a more aggressive timetable.

``We must and we can reach an agreement on migration before the end of this very year which will allow us, before the end of our respective terms, to make sure that there are no Mexicans who have not entered this country legally in the United States and that those Mexicans who have come into the country do so with the proper documents,'' said Fox. His term ends in 2006.

Fox appeared to be calling for an agreement that would be ready for consideration by the respective legislatures of the two countries before the end of the year. But U.S. officials have said that details such as timetables and the numbers of Mexicans who would be eligible have not yet been broached.

Fox believes Mexicans in the United States are not being treated fairly. He says U.S laws should be amended so that migrants receive health, education and labor rights and can work without fear of deportation.

Several administration officials said afterward they would have preferred to avoid the added pressure of a public deadline. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it is impossible to predict whether a comprehensive agreement can be reached this year, given the unease in Congress and fluidity of the talks.

Bush, asked whether he thought Fox's timetable was too ambitious, pretended not to understand the question and joked in Spanish, ``I can't hear.''

His national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), said it would be nice to reach an agreement by year's end, but cautioned, ``The president shares the desire to do it quickly, but to get it right.'' Bush and Fox will release broad outlines of their immigration goals while touring a Hispanic community center in Toledo on Thursday.

Prodding Bush, House Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said he hopes to pass a bill during Fox's visit that would extend by a year the deadline for illegal immigrants to apply for visas.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., chairman of the congressional immigration reform caucus, said the prospects are not good for congressional approval of legislation that would legalize undocumented Mexican aliens.

People should not be rewarded who ``forget about American law, sneak into the country and avoid detection,'' he said.

Bush has acknowledged such concerns, but nonetheless says it would be in the nation's interest to match hardworking Mexicans with American employers.

Fox's remarks reflected the political pressures he faces at home to strike an agreement with Bush. He hopes to quiet critics in Mexico who say he promised much during his landmark election campaign and has delivered little.


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Gag! Barf!
1 posted on 09/06/2001 12:40:40 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Hello,

As a current Immigration Inspector, I would like to inform everyone about what is going on in INS.

On the amnesty issue, IT WILL HAPPEN.

Currently the administration is working on a NAFTA visa. This visa will be available to all illegals currently in the US and anyone from a NAFTA country. It will allow low wage workers into the US. Once in the US, these workers can asjust status and become resident aliens, which leads to citizenship.

Amnesty by any other name is still amnesty.

2 posted on 09/06/2001 12:43:14 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: madrussian
Fox returned the compliment, calling Bush ``Jorge''

Coincidentally, that's just what President Salinas called Monica Lewinsky.

I wonder if GWB calls President Fox "Vinny"?

3 posted on 09/06/2001 12:57:55 PM PDT by Physicist (sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
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To: Physicist
Vinny would be a promotion of Vincente, because the US is the "older brother" and it's Fox who's begging. Calling Bush "Jorge" is an insult, however.
4 posted on 09/06/2001 1:00:51 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: madrussian
I thought you meant "fox news" called him that. oh well
5 posted on 09/06/2001 1:02:57 PM PDT by isom35
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To: rebelsoldier,Maalaea,dennisw,sarcasm,t-shirt,skeeter,Mercuria,Travis McGee,Joe Hadenuf,Brownie74
This is unbelievable!
6 posted on 09/06/2001 1:04:24 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: isom35
After amnesty, they might!
7 posted on 09/06/2001 1:05:11 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: madrussian
According to some Bushies, he likes to let somebody else play a bad cop and badger him constantly. And he reluctantly agrees to a controversial policy, even though that is what he wanted all along. Obviously, he is playing that scenario here. Fox is a bad cop badgering Bush. Bush will be a good cop who will agree to it eventually. And sheeple get snookered. Anything for money !
8 posted on 09/06/2001 1:07:22 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: madrussian
Dudes, calm down - "Jorge" is Spanish for George.
9 posted on 09/06/2001 1:11:54 PM PDT by Notforprophet (gwb4pres2k@aol.com)
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To: Physicist
President Salinas called Monica Lewinsky "bush"???????

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry.

10 posted on 09/06/2001 1:14:13 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: madrussian
Fox looks like a classy guy. However, "class" in Mexico has a bigger meaning than it does here in the United States. If people of Fox's class were emmigrating to the U.S. in droves, he would surely object. However, it is a significant portion of the Mexican peasant class who are headed north, and Fox is happy to see them go and does not want them back.

But, remember, America was made great by the disenfranchised peoples of the world who came here to reach their full potential when the upper classes in their native countries offered them no opportunities and trampled their human rights.

FREEDOM..... do we trust people to be FREE? That is the question we are faced with - are all men created equal and deserve recognition of the basic rights bestowed upon us by God? Are the immigration laws in place to protect FREEDOM, or to enslave us all to the new upper class of Americans - the bureaucrats?

11 posted on 09/06/2001 1:17:32 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: KirklandJunction
What's the Spanish for "bush"? Spanish for "Jorge" is "putana", I believe. Or is that Italian?
12 posted on 09/06/2001 1:22:13 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: ValerieUSA
Fox looks like a classy guy. However, "class" in Mexico has a bigger meaning than it does here in the United States. If people of Fox's class were emmigrating to the U.S. in droves, he would surely object. However, it is a significant portion of the Mexican peasant class who are headed north, and Fox is happy to see them go and does not want them back.

Third world countries do pay attention to "class" or "honor", which are used to claim a bigger piece of pie in a corrupt economy.

But, remember, America was made great by the disenfranchised peoples of the world who came here to reach their full potential when the upper classes in their native countries offered them no opportunities and trampled their human rights.

America doesn't need criminal ignorant peasants from Mexico. They are burden on the society, no matter how many poetic false analogies with legal immigrants you spout.

FREEDOM..... do we trust people to be FREE? That is the question we are faced with - are all men created equal and deserve recognition of the basic rights bestowed upon us by God? Are the immigration laws in place to protect FREEDOM, or to enslave us all to the new upper class of Americans - the bureaucrats?

People have already spoken against illegal immigration. Respect that.

13 posted on 09/06/2001 1:30:54 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: Vorpal Blade
Welcome to FR this week! You're gonna fit right in!
15 posted on 09/06/2001 1:35:05 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Vorpal Blade
I especially like the "one-termer" line - it's original and I've never seen it here on FR before!
16 posted on 09/06/2001 1:35:46 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ValerieUSA
GOOD GOSH PEOPLE...GET A GRIP!! Our President knows exactly what he is doing! IN all the time I've been a freeper here, I have never seen so many freepers so up tight, mean spirited, insulting to a particular race before. You are casting stones before the sin has occurred! Mr. Bush has made it VERY CLEAR that those immigrants have to follow INS procedures in order to obtain citizenship. Frankly I am little disappointed :( Mr. Fox made an EXCELLENT speech in Ohio this afternoon over the future of Mexico. Truly it was very inspiring and full of vision for his country. Hopefully someone will post the transcript.
18 posted on 09/06/2001 1:38:28 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: madrussian
"Criminal ignorant peasants from Mexico"?

...hate to burst the bubble, but a recent Az stat from INS said that eight percent of catches in the first half of this year were Mexican citizens.

Guatamala was the biggest source.

Give amnesty to the illegals that can PROVE they're from Mexico, and they'll be a lot of nervous Guatamalans ducking and jiving.

19 posted on 09/06/2001 1:40:09 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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