Posted on 09/06/2001 8:11:05 AM PDT by ClancyJ
URGENT ALERT: Ten Commandments
Will you stand with me to support a new bill in Congress called the "Ten Commandments Protection Act" that will stop the ACLU's insidious campaign to ban the Ten Commandments from our society?
Click here for more information and to sign:
PETITION TO SUPPORT THE "TEN COMMANDMENTS PROTECTION ACT"
"Ten Commandments Project" is conducting this petition drive because the ACLU is using the courts to strip the Ten Commandments from our cities and towns. In fact, they just won another victory in Indiana.
But now we can fight back! My contacts on Capitol Hill have informed me that this new bill -- The Ten Commandments Protection Act -- will be introduced in Congress very soon.
I want to be on hand when the announcement is made to present your signed petition along with petitions from 50,000 citizens across America.
Please take a moment right now to sign. Then, help me spread the word to your friends who are concerned about faith and morality in our society using our breakthrough "grassfire" system.
We will chart your influence as it spreads across the country and around the world -- giving you access to a personal reporting site tells you how many people followed your lead and signed this petition. You will see your impact grow!
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PETITION TO SUPPORT THE "TEN COMMANDMENTS PROTECTION ACT"
Thank you so much for your help.
Rob Schenck
Ten Commandments Project
An Outreach of Faith & Action
P.S. When you sign this petition, you will be shocked to discover how the complaint of one person in Elkhart, Indiana, caused the Ten Commandments to be defeated in federal court. Just one person! Please help me rally 50,000 people in a united show of support for the "Ten Commandments Act".
On final note: when you sign the petition, I would like you to have two prayer bookmarks featuring a beautiful reproduction of Dore's famous Ten Commandments etching. It's our gift to you. TO RECEIVE YOUR COMPLIMENTARY "TEN COMMANDMENTS" PRAYER BOOKMARKS:
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"The Ten Commandments Project" is an outreach of Faith and Action - Rob and Paul Schenck's Ministry to the Nation's capital. With its National Ministry Center next to the U.S. Supreme Court building, Faith and Action is a strong voice for faith and values before our nation's leaders in Washington, D.C.
Questions on the Petition? info@faithandaction.com Or, visit our web site: http://www.faithandaction.com
If what you say is true about no harmful intent just separation of powers, why are there attacks on the free will of people wanting to pray before school, wanting prayer at a ballgame? Why is the teaching restricted to no teaching of God yet yogi, and all forms of far out beliefs are allowed? Why are we seeing more and more politically correct agendas promoted in our schools. There is an agenda and if you don't want to see it fine - but I see it.
We are not asking much - just the right to put the Ten Commandments in our office space at work if we work in a federal building. Why does allowing separation of church and state mean that our free will to have the Ten Commandments in an area not allowed. This is putting the rights of those wanting them removed over the rights of those wanting them left alone.
Who determines whose rights are more important?
Why do you insist on usurping the rights of people for free will to determine what they want. No one makes you bow your head, no one makes you listen to a chaplain yet you want to make people conform to what you want.
You are the ones out-of-line. We can have religion in our lives if we want it - when and where we want it. You do not have to participate and no one makes you participate yet you try and MAKE US GIVE UP SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT US TO HAVE IT.
Why?
Right. Only the religious philosophies of humanism, materialism, relativism, totalitarianism, and evolutionism can be preached with public money and the imprimatur of the government.
Gotcha.
Dan
Or so you believe. I guess the irony doesn't register.
You believe there is no god. That is a belief not the absence of one.
There is no such thing as a belief vacuum, just different sets of beliefs.
Only error needs government subsidy. If you had the faith you profess, you would
know your message will do just fine in the marketplace of ideas.
Oh, ye of little faith.
The big bang, evolution, diversity, relativism, socialism, humanism and postmodernism all enjoy the support of state subsidies.
What’s more the orthodoxy of these godless ideas are often imposed by the power and threat of the state.
Could you explain how your disbelief in invisible monsters under your bed constitutes a set of beliefs? There is an infinite number of things you don't believe in. Does this mean you hold a set of beliefs for EACH of those uncountable things?
Of course I have a set of beliefs about many subjects. E.g. if you want to talk about morality, etc, ok, let's talk about it. But my beliefs about morality is not the same thing as my atheism.
That is the only way out of this socialist morass, where men are made to pay for ideas,
religions and the teaching of sciences with which they might disagree.
I quote from your profile page ---- "No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him. -Thomas Jefferson "
If you believe the above, how come you believe you have the right to take our ability to protect the Ten Commandments away from us? What about our natural right to pray in school, to have the Ten Commandments posted on the wall if we want?
I am not. I am telling you you don't have the right to place them on public property, giving themj govt imprimateur in violation of the First Amendment.
Why are you so afraid of people wanting to be able to pray at a sports event, to be able to pray in a classroom? These are not the state.
Show me where I said the right of an individual to pray in any venue or at any time or place should be infringed. You cannot. (Not a good day for fishing for red herring.)
If you believe the above, how come you believe you have the right to take our ability to protect the Ten Commandments away from us?
I do not wish it to be taken away from you. Place it in your home, on your business, wherever you want. But keep it off govt property, because you do not have the right to make others pay to spread your message.
What about our natural right to pray in school, to have the Ten Commandments posted on the wall if we want?
Again, you have the right to pray whereever you want. You cannot find a law anywhere that prohibits it. The law does not allow school endorsed or school -led prayer, because that gives govt's imprimateur to one religion over others. Beyond that you - and all individuals - are free to pray as you want.
Posting the 10 Commandment on public property constitutes a govt endorsement of one religion to the exclusion of others. This is not within your rights. Never was.
You need to learn what a right is.
As far a prayer in public school goes, the same thing should stand: students get free exercise of religious expression, but teachers and administrators must remain neutral for all the reasons I previously mentioned. So at ball games, students only must initiate and take part in prayer, and government must not stop them. (I would think it an insult to religious people to insinuate that they need the government's help to pray) However, prayer cannot be part of the official program. I think that's very fair and respects everyone's rights. Could you live with this?
And I object to all forms of beliefs being taught in public schools, be it Christianity, yogi (never heard of him) or whatever. I actually agree with you that there have been considerable attacks on the rights of religious students in public schools. You may be surprised at this, but I'm on your side here, I support these students 100%. Of course I oppose public schools on principle. In private schools, this wouldn't be an issue.
Why are we seeing more and more politically correct agendas promoted in our schools. There is an agenda and if you don't want to see it fine - but I see it.
I do see a politically correct agenda in public schools. It is indoctrination into socialism. However I think you are mistaking those of us who really just want government to remain impartial towards religion with those with a more malicious intent. This is an easy mistake to make, I probably would think the same thing if I didn't know better. I know you're thinking that atheism is part of the indoctrination into socialism. Actually, any form of group thought pertaining to beliefs would be socialism, whether it be atheism or Christianity. The whole idea is that it is the individual who determines their beliefs, not the state. Only then are we free from socialism in matters of faith.
Yes, you believe there is no monster.
www.lp.org - give it a whirl. ;^)
Yes, you believe there is no monster.
I guess we mean different things by "a set of belief". I think a set of belief in something is a set of 'positive' statements about it. You believe in God, you can tell me what your belief means - what is God, how God influences your life, etc, etc. There is some content in your belief. Now, what in the world is the set of beliefs that correpsonds to your rejection of monsters under the bed? What is their content/substance?
Would be better to say, I believe that only air is under my bed, thereby inferring no monsters.
The statement is equivalent with regards to the presence of a monster, and is now positive.
Let’s look at this way: belief in monster under bed = false
or
belief that no monster under bed = true
Both equations express the same reality. One is expressed as a true state (positive) the other as a false state (negative). But they are equivalent.
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