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To: the_doc
To the_doc-I started reading your post on Romans and stopped right at the point where you stated that 'God did not intend to save them!(Vs6)

This is obvious from two points (now, I do not want to misundertand you!) God gives the free offer and they will not repent. Sinners use their what, 'free will' do they?

You double tongued devil!

You know full well that Total depravity means that the sinner can ONLY make one decision, to continue to follow his old nature.

That is why God must regenerate first, so then the New Man' can repent and believe (Iresistible grace)

You use the terms 'free' when there is no choice involved! Now tell us how we are misunderstanding you!(the oddly free refusal to accept the free offer of the Gospel!)

Then you go on-Regeneration MUST preceed saving faith-a point that you told Woody that was not necessary!

Why must Regeneration preceed saving faith doc? Is it because the unRegenerate man CANNOT believe BECAUSE OF TOTAL DEPRAVITY!

You pious fraud!

Now, lament that no one understands you!

To use 'oddly free refusal' when you know that according to your wicked system man CANNOT chose for God, God must chose him.

Funny, doc, I didn't see much on Romans! All of sudden you jump to John!

Rom.10:1 Brethren, my hearts desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Rom.11:1 I say then hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham of the tribe of Benjamin

Hey, doc, see any connection!

God intended for Israel to fall?

Rom.10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people (sounds like a little resistance there (Acts.7:51) against God's will!

Yet, God in His WISDOM turned Israel's rejection of Him into His glory by creating the church, the bride for His Son (Rom.11:25,Eph.5:30)

Your system has God choosing who will be saved and who be lost from the beginning, with no basis for that choice except His own sovereign will. All your talk about 'freedom' 'choice'and 'grace' are only phoney pious talk to deceive those who do not know WHAT you really mean by 'freedom' and 'choice'.

Even so, come Lord Jesus

94 posted on 09/07/2001 3:17:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration, cc: the_doc
You know full well that Total depravity means that the sinner can ONLY make one decision, to continue to follow his old nature.

So do you....

Depravity means that a chasm has been created where man, born into sin and therefore spiritually dead cannot do anything to please God. --- fortheDeclaration
Or, are you telling me you don't pay attention to what comes out of your mouth?
106 posted on 09/07/2001 5:59:56 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: fortheDeclaration, RnMomof7, jude24
To the_doc-I started reading your post on Romans and stopped right at the point where you stated that 'God did not intend to save them!(Vs6)

Actually, Paul is clearly saying that God did not intend to save all of the Jews in Paul's day.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of heathen raging, IMO. (You anti-Calvinists aren't real lovely folks, are you?)

I did read it, however--and as promised, I laughed.

125 posted on 09/07/2001 11:15:38 AM PDT by the_doc
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