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THE MARKS OF THE NEW BIRTH
Rnmomof7 | 9/5/01 | John Wesley

Posted on 09/05/2001 2:47:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7

THE MARKS OF THE NEW BIRTH

"So is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:8.

1. How is every one that is "born of the Spirit," -- that is, born again, -- born of God? What is meant by the being born again, the being born of God, or being born of the Spirit? What is implied in the being a son or a child of God, or having the Spirit of adoption? That these privileges, by the free mercy of God, are ordinarily annexed to baptism (which is thence termed by our Lord in a preceding verse, the being "born of water and of the Spirit") we know; but we would know what these privileges are: What is the new birth?

2. Perhaps it is not needful to give a definition of this, seeing the Scripture gives none. But as the question is of the deepest concern to every child of man; since, "except a man be born again," born of the Spirit, "he cannot see the kingdom of God;" I propose to lay down the marks of it in the plainest manner, just as I find them laid down in Scripture.

I. 1. The First of these, and the foundation of all the rest, is faith. So St. Paul, "Ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." (Gal. 3:26.) So St. John, "To them gave he power" (_exousian_, right or privilege, it might rather be translated) "to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; which were born," when they believed, "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh," not by natural generation, "nor of the will of man," like those children adopted by men, in whom no inward change is thereby wrought, "but of God." (John 1:12,13.) And again in his General Epistle, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." (1 John 5:1.)

2. But it is not a barely notional or speculative faith that is here spoken of by the Apostles. It is not a bare assent to this proposition, Jesus is the Christ; nor indeed to all the propositions contained in our creed, or in the Old and New Testament. It is not merely an assent to any or all these credible things, as credible. To say this, were to say (which who could hear?) that the devils were born of God; for they have this faith. They, trembling, believe, both that Jesus is the Christ, and that all Scripture, having been given by inspiration of God, is true as God is true. It is not only an assent to divine truth, upon the testimony of God, or upon the evidence of miracles; for they also heard the words of his mouth, and knew him to be a faithful and true witness. They could not but receive the testimony he gave, both of himself, and of the Father which sent him. They saw likewise the mighty works which he did, and thence believed that he "came forth from God." Yet, nevertheless this faith, they are still "reserved in chains of darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

3. For all this is no more than a dead faith. The true, living, Christian faith, which whosoever hath, is born of God, is not only an assent, an act of the understanding; but a disposition, which God hath wrought in his heart; "a sure trust and confidence in God, that, through the merits of Christ, his sins are forgiven, and he reconciled to the favor of God." This implies, that a man first renounce himself; that, in order to be "found in Christ," to be accepted through him, he totally rejects all "confidence in the flesh;" that, "having nothing to pay," having no trust in his own works or righteousness of any kind, he comes to God as a lost, miserable, self-destroyed, self-condemned, undone, helpless sinner; as one whose mouth is utterly stopped, and who is altogether "guilty before God." Such a sense of sin, (commonly called despair, by those who speak evil of the things they know not,) together with a full conviction, such as no words can express, that of Christ only cometh our salvation, and an earnest desire of that salvation, must precede a living faith, a trust in Him, who "for us paid our ransom by his death, and fulfilled the law of his life." This faith then, whereby we are born of God, is "not only a belief of all the articles of our faith, but also a true confidence of the mercy of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."

4. An immediate and constant fruit of this faith whereby we are born of God, a fruit which can in no wise be separated from it, no, not for an hour, is power over sin; -- power over outward sin of every kind; over every evil word and work; for wheresoever the blood of Christ is thus applied, it "purgeth the conscience from dead works;" -- and over inward sin; for it purifieth the heart from every unholy desire and temper. This fruit of faith St. Paul has largely described, in the sixth chapter of his Epistle to the Romans. "How shall we," saith he, "who" by faith "are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"Our old man is crucified with Christ, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." -- "Likewise, reckon ye yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign" even "in your mortal body,"but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead."For sin shall not have dominion over you. -- God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, -- but being made free," -- the plain meaning is, God be thanked that though ye were, in time past, the servants of sin, yet now -- "being free from sin, ye are become the servants of righteousness."

5. The same invaluable privilege of the sons of God is as strongly asserted by St. John; particularly with regard to the former branch of it, namely, power over outward sin. After he had been crying out, as one astonished at the depth of the riches of the goodness of God, -- "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God! Beloved, now are we the sons of God: And it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know, that when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is;" (1 John 3:1, etc..) -- he soon adds, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: And he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9.) But some men will say, "True: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin habitually." Habitually! Whence is that? I read it not. It is not written in the Book. God plainly saith, "He doth not commit sin;" and thou addest, habitually! Who art thou that mendest the oracles of God? -- that "addest to the words of this book?" Beware, I beseech thee, lest God "add to thee all the plagues that are written therein!" especially when the comment thou addest is such as quite swallows up the text: So that by this _methodeia planEs_, artful method of deceiving, the precious promise is utterly lost; by this _kybeia anthrOpOn_, tricking and shuffling of men, the word of God is made of none effect. O beware, thou that thus takest from the words of this book, that, taking away the whole meaning and spirit from them, leavest only what may indeed be termed a dead letter, lest God take away thy part out of the book of life!

6. Suffer we the Apostle to interpret his own words, by the whole tenor of his discourse. In the fifth verse of this chapter, he had said, "Ye know that he," Christ, "was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin." What is the inference he draws from this? "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not. Whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6.) To his enforcement of this important doctrine, he premises an highly necessary caution: "Little children, let no man deceive you;" (1 John 3:7;) for many will endeavor so to do; to persuade you that you may be unrighteous, that you may commit sin, and yet be children of God! "He that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning." Then follows, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: And he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this," adds the Apostle, "the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil." By this plain mark (the committing or not committing sin) are they distinguished from each other. To the same effect are those words in his fifth chapter, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 John 3:18.)

7. Another fruit of this living faith is peace. For, "being justified by faith," having all our sins blotted out, "we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ." (Rom. 5:1.) This indeed our Lord himself, the night before his death, solemnly bequeathed to all his followers: "Peace," saith he, "I leave with you;" (you who "believe in God," and "believe also in me;") "my peace I give unto you:"Not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14:27.) And again, "These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace." (John 16:33.) This is that "peace of God which passeth all understanding," that serenity of soul which it hath not entered into the heart of a natural man to conceive, and which it is not possible for even the spiritual man to utter. And it is a peace which all the powers of earth and hell are unable to take from him. Waves and storms beat upon it, but they shake it not; for it is founded upon a rock. It keepeth the hearts and minds of the children of God, at all times and in all places. Whether they are in ease or in pain, in sickness or health, in abundance or want, they are happy in God. In every state they have learned to be content, yea, to give thanks unto God through Christ Jesus; being well assured that "whatever is, is best," because it is His will concerning them: So that in all the vicissitudes of life their "heart standeth fast, believing in the Lord."

II. 1. A Second scriptural mark of those who are born of God, is hope. Thus St. Peter, speaking to all the children of God who were then scattered abroad, saith, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which, according to his abundant mercy, hath begotten us again unto a lively hope." (1 Peter 1:3.) _elpida zOsan_, a lively or living hope, saith the Apostle; because there is also a dead hope, as well as a dead faith; a hope which is not from God, but from the enemy of God and man; -- as evidently appears by its fruits; for, as it is the offspring of pride, so it is the parent of every evil word and work; whereas, every man that hath in him this living hope, is "holy as He that calleth him is holy:" Every man that can truly say to his brethren in Christ, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and we shall see him as he is,"purifieth himself, even as He is pure."

2. This hope implies, First, the testimony of our own spirit or conscience, that we walk "in simplicity and godly sincerity;" Secondly, the testimony of the Spirit of God, "bearing witness with," or to, "our spirit, that we are the children of God," "and if children, then heirs, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ."

3. Let us well observe what is here taught us by God himself, touching this glorious privilege of his children. Who is it that is here said to bear witness? Not our spirit only, but another; even the Spirit of God: He it is who "beareth witness with our spirit." What is it he beareth witness of? "That we are the children of God,"and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;" (Rom. 8:16, 17;) "if so be that we suffer with him," if we deny ourselves, if we take up our cross daily, if we cheerfully endure persecution or reproach for his sake, "that we may also be glorified together." And in whom doth the Spirit of God bear this witness? In all who are the children of God. By this very argument does the Apostle prove, in the preceding verses, that they are so: "As many," saith he, "as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father!" It follows, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." (8:14-16.)

4. The variation of the phrase in the fifteenth verse is worthy our observation: "Ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father!" Ye, as many as are the sons of God, have, in virtue of your sonship, received that selfsame Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father: We, the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, (for so the word may not improperly be understood,) we, through whom you have believed, the "ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God." As we and you have one Lord, so we have one Spirit: As we have one faith, so we have one hope also. We and you are sealed with one "Spirit of promise," the earnest of your and of our inheritance: The same Spirit bearing witness with your and with our spirit, "that we are the children of God." (Rom. 8:14-16).

5. And thus is the Scripture fulfilled, "Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted." For it is easy to believe, that though sorrow may precede this witness of God's Spirit with our spirit; (indeed must, in some degree, while we groan under fear, and a sense of the wrath of God abiding on us;) yet, as soon as any man feeleth it in himself, his "sorrow is turned into joy." Whatever his pain may have been before; yet, as soon as that "hour is come, he remembereth the anguish no more, for joy" that he is born of God. It may be, many of you have now sorrow, because you are "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel;" because you are conscious to yourselves that you have not this Spirit; that you are "without hope and without God in the world." But when the Comforter is come, "then your heart shall rejoice;" yea, "your joy shall be full," and "that joy no man taketh from you." (John 16:22.) "We joy in God," will ye say, "through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement;"by whom we have access into this grace," this state of grace, of favor, or reconciliation with God, "wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." (Rom. 5:2.) "Ye," saith St. Peter, whom God hath "begotten again unto a lively hope, are kept by the power of God unto salvation: Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations; that the trial of your faith may be found unto praise, and honor, and glory, at the appearing of Jesus Christ: In whom, though now ye see him not, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory." (1 Peter 1:5, etc..) Unspeakable indeed! It is not for the tongue of man to describe this joy in the Holy Ghost. It is "the hidden manna, which no man knoweth, save he that receiveth it." But this we know, it not only remains, but overflows, in the depth of affliction. "Are the comforts of God small" with his children, when all earthly comforts fail? Not so. But when sufferings most abound, the comforts of his Spirit do much more abound; insomuch that the sons of God "laugh at destruction when it cometh;" at want, pain, hell, and the grave; as knowing Him who "hath the keys of death and hell," and will shortly "cast them into the bottomless pit;" as hearing even now the great voice out of heaven, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away." (Rev. 21:3, 4.)

III. 1. A Third scriptural mark of those who are born of God, and the greatest of all, is love; even "the love of God shed abroad in their hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto them." (Rom. 5:5.) "Because they are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son in their hearts, crying, Abba, Father!" (Gal. 4:6.) By this Spirit, continually looking up to God as their reconciled and loving Father, they cry to him for their daily bread, for all things needful, whether for their souls or bodies. They continually pour out their hearts before him, knowing "they have the petitions which they ask of him." (1 John 5:15.) Their delight is in him. He is the joy of their heart; their "shield," and their "exceeding great reward." The desire of their soul is toward him; it is their "meat and drink to do his will;" and they are "satisfied as with marrow and fatness, while their mouth praiseth him with joyful lips." (Psalm 63:5.)

2. And, in this sense also, "every one who loveth him that begat, loveth him that is begotten of him." (1 John 5:1.) His spirit rejoiceth in God his Savior. He "loveth the Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity." He is so "joined unto the Lord," as to be one spirit. His soul hangeth upon Him, and chooseth Him as altogether lovely, "the chiefest among ten thousand." He knoweth, he feeleth what that means, "My Beloved is mine, and I am his." (Song 2:16.) "Thou art fairer than the children of men; full of grace are thy lips, because God hath anointed thee for ever!" (Psalm 45:2.)

3. The necessary fruit of this love of God is the love of our neighbor; of every soul which God hath made; not excepting our enemies; not excepting those who are now "despitefully using and persecuting us;" -- a love whereby we love every man as ourselves; as we love our own souls. Nay, our Lord has expressed it still more strongly, teaching us to "love one another even as He hath loved us." Accordingly, the commandment written in the hearts of all those that love God, is no other than this, "As I have loved you, so love ye one another." Now, "herein perceive we the love of God, in that he laid down his life for us." (1 John 3:16.) "We ought," then, as the Apostle justly infers, "to lay down our lives for the brethren." If we feel ourselves ready to do this, then do we truly love our neighbor. Then "we know that we have passed from death unto life, because we" thus "love the brethren." (1 John 3:14.) "Hereby know we" that we are born of God, that we "dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his" loving "Spirit." (1 John 4:13.) For "love is of God; and every one that" thus "loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." (1 John 4:7.)

4. But some may possibly ask, "Does not the Apostle say, 'This is the love of God, that we keep his commandments?'" (1 John 5:3.) Yea, and this is the love of our neighbor also, in the same sense as it is the love of God. But what would you infer from hence? that the keeping the outward commandments is all that is implied in loving God with all your heart, with all your mind, and soul, and strength, and in loving your neighbor as yourself? that the love of God is not an affection of the soul, but merely an outward service? and that the love of our neighbor is not a disposition of heart, but barely a course of outward works? To mention so wild an interpretation of the Apostle's words, is sufficiently to confute it. The plain indisputable meaning of that text is, -- this is the sign or proof of the love of God, of our keeping the first and great commandment, to keep the rest of his commandments. For true love, if it be once shed abroad in our heart, will constrain us so to do; since, whosoever loves God with all his heart, cannot but serve him with all his strength.

5. A Second fruit then of the love of God (so far as it can be distinguished from it) is universal obedience to him we love, and conformity to his will; obedience to all the commands of God, internal and external; obedience of the heart and of the life; in every temper, and in all manner of conversation. And one of the tempers most obviously implied herein, is, the being "zealous of good works;" the hungering and thirsting to do good, in every possible kind, unto all men; the rejoicing to "spend and be spent for them," for every child of man; not looking for any recompence in this world, but only in the resurrection of the just.

IV. 1. Thus have I plainly laid down those marks of the new birth which I find laid down in Scripture. Thus doth God himself answer that weighty question, What is it to be born of God? Such, if the appeal be made to the oracles of God, is "every one that is born of the Spirit." This it is, in the judgment of the Spirit of God, to be a son or a child of God: It is, so to believe in God, through Christ, as "not to commit sin," and to enjoy at all times, and in all places, that "peace of God which passeth all understanding." It is, so to hope in God through the Son of his love, as to have not only the "testimony of a good conscience," but also the Spirit of God "bearing witness with your spirits, that ye are the children of God;" whence cannot but spring the rejoicing in Him, through whom ye "have received the atonement." It is, so to love God, who hath thus loved you, as you never did love any creature: So that ye are constrained to love all men as yourselves; with a love not only ever burning in your hearts, but flaming out in all your actions and conversations, and making your whole life one "labor of love," one continued obedience to those commands, "Be ye merciful, as God is merciful;"Be ye holy, as I the Lord am holy:"Be ye perfect, as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

2. Who then are ye that are thus born of God? Ye "know the things which are given to you of God." Ye well know that ye are the children of God, and "can assure your hearts before him." And every one of you who has observed these words cannot but feel, and know of a truth, whether at this hour, (answer to God, and not to man!) you are thus a child of God or no. The question is not, what you was made in baptism; (do not evade;) but, What are you now? Is the Spirit of adoption now in your heart? To your own heart let the appeal be made. I ask not, whether you was born of water and of the Spirit; but are you now the temple of the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in you? I allow you was "circumcised with the circumcision of Christ;" (as St. Paul emphatically terms baptism;) but does the Spirit of Christ and of glory now rest upon you? Else "your circumcision is become uncircumcision."

3 . Say not then in your heart, "I was once baptized, therefore I am now a child of God." Alas, that consequence will by no means hold. How many are the baptized gluttons and drunkards, the baptized liars and common swearers, the baptized railers and evil-speakers, the baptized whoremongers, thieves, extortioners? What think you? Are these now the children of God? Verily, I say unto you, whosoever you are, unto whom any one of the preceding characters belongs, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the works of your father ye do." Unto you I call, in the name of Him whom you crucify afresh, and in his words to your circumcised predecessors, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

4. How, indeed, except ye be born again! For ye are now dead in trespasses and sins. To say, then, that ye cannot be born again, that there is no new birth but in baptism, is to seal you all under damnation, to consign you to hell, without help, without hope. And perhaps some may think this just and right. In their zeal for the Lord of hosts, they may say, "Yea, cut off the sinners, the Amalekites! Let these Gibeonites be utterly destroyed! They deserve no less." No; nor I, nor you. Mine and your desert, as well as theirs, is hell; and it is mere mercy, free, undeserved mercy, that we are not now in unquenchable fire. You will say, "But we are washed;" we were born again "of water and of the Spirit." So were they: This, therefore, hinders not at all, but that ye may now be even as they. Know ye not, that "what is highly esteemed of men is an abomination in the sight of God?" Come forth, ye "saints of the world," ye that are honored of men, and see who will cast the first stone at them, at these wretches not fit to live upon the earth, these common harlots, adulterers, murderers. Only learn ye first what that meaneth, "He that hateth his brother is a murderer." (1 John 3:15.) "He that looketh on a woman, to lust after her, hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matt. 5:28.) "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?" (James 4:4.)

5. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, ye" also "must be born again."Except ye" also "be born again, ye cannot see the kingdom of God." Lean no more on the staff of that broken reed, that ye were born again in baptism. Who denies that ye were then made children of God, and heirs of the kingdom of heaven? But, nevertheless this, ye are now children of the devil. Therefore ye must be born again. And let not Satan put it into your heart to cavil at a word, when the thing is clear. Ye have heard what are the marks of the children of God: All ye who have them not on your souls, baptized or unbaptized, must needs receive them, or without doubt ye will perish everlastingly. And if ye have been baptized, your only hope is this, -- that those who were made the children of God by baptism, but are now the children of the devil, may yet again receive "power to become the sons of God;" that they may receive again what they have lost, even the "Spirit of adoption, crying in their hearts, Abba, Father!"

Amen, Lord Jesus! May every one who prepareth his heart yet again to seek thy face, receive again that Spirit of adoption, and cry out, "Abba, Father!" Let him now again have power so to believe in thy name as to become a child of God; as to know and feel he hath "redemption in thy blood, even the forgiveness of sins;" and that he "cannot commit sin, because he is born of God." Let him be now "begotten again unto a living hope," so as to "purify himself as thou art pure;" and "because he is a son," let the Spirit of love and of glory rest upon him, cleansing him "from all filthiness of flesh and spirit," and teaching him to "perfect holiness in the fear of God!"


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To: George W. Bush
#118: "Christianity is not, at its heart, an intellectual religion."

Is the Christian faith (at its heart) some sort of blind leap into a dark abyss, then?

Or is the Christian faith the only "rational" faith?

Only misguided Christians regard philosophy, science, or any intellectual pursuit as somehow incompatible with the Christian faith/religion.

Only uninformed/misinformed Christians think that reason and logic are threats to the Christian faith/religion.

121 posted on 09/07/2001 10:26:55 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The essence of humility is "teachability".)
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To: the_doc
#120: "What do you figure Satan is doing now?"

I figure he is appearing (to those who judge by outward appearances) as an angel of light as usual. :)

122 posted on 09/07/2001 10:35:20 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The "humble faces" are deceptive. True humility is evidenced by "teachability".)
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To: Jerry_M
Where does the author of Hebrews "pose as the Apostle Paul"? Hebrews was always attributed to Paul and it was on that basis it was admitted into the canon.

Your beliefs about its authorship are your own concern. Do you routinely cast doubts on the authorship of New Testament books? Do you join with those modernists who claim that the literary style of seven or eight of the thirteen Pauline epistles is not consistent in teaching and/or literary style with the remaining five or six?

How many of the "Pauline" epistles do you believe were written by Paul? Do you question, as many modernists do, Paul's authorship of Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians and the three “Pastoral Epistles” 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus. I know you are perfectly aware of this dispute. Just how many books of the New Testament do you feel comfortable with doubting their origin?

I'd still like for you to produce a list of all the doctrines that you hang upon Hebrews 10:14. I'm counting at least six presently but I suspect you might have a few more. How many doctrines do you believe Hebrews 10:14 to carry on its shoulders?

To continue the discussion on the origins of Hebrews, I'll quote here from Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology on the origins and teachings of Hebrews:

Hebrews, Theology of

The theological epicenter of the Epistle to the Hebrews may be summed up in one word: Christology. No biblical document outside of the four Gospels focuses as totally and forcefully on the person and redemptive achievement of Jesus. Likely this factor more than any other secured its prominent place in the early church's canon of Scripture in spite of doubts concerning its apostolic origin in the West (Carthage and Rome) prior to the fourth century. Eastern Christendom appears to have regarded it as Pauline from the beginning.

The preface (1:1-3) sets the stage with a magnificent vignette of the divine Son exercising his universal headship. Amidst a variety of allusions to his deity, Jesus is declared to have fulfilled the three divinely ordained Old Testament offices of prophet, king, and priest. The prophetic element appears in verses 1-2, where he is declared to be the Son through whom God has spoken his ultimate redemptive word. Next, his universal kingly enthronement is depicted in the first part of verse 3: "he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." This exalted position is the direct outcome of his priestly achievement: "After he had provided purification for sins." It is this priestly aspect of Jesus' person and ministry that takes center stage as the message of Hebrews unfolds.

For purposes of analysis the epistle may be divided into two major sections. In 1:1-10:18, the primary theme is the superiority of Christ as eternal high priest. He is declared ultimately superior to the most cherished institutions of the ancient Hebrew faith. He is superior to the word of God spoken through the prophets since he himself is God's ultimate redemptive word. He is superior to the angelic hosts because no angel can boast of being the Son of God, fully divine (1:4-14), and yet fully human (2:5-18). These two factors qualify him uniquely to be the faithful and perpetual sin-bearer of his people. On the basis of that same uniqueness of being, he is as superior to Moses the great lawgiver of Israel (3:1-6), as Creator is to the created. The spiritual rest from dead works offered by Jesus is superior to that temporal one represented in Moses and Joshua through the occupation of the promised land (4:1-11; esp. vv. 9-10). Beginning with chapter 5 the central theological concern of the epistle emerges: the eternal spiritual priesthood assumed by Jesus through offering up himself as the once-for-all sacrifice for sins. It is infinitely superior to the temporal earthly ministry exercised by Aaron and his descendants (4:14-5:11; 7:1-10:18).

Here the Christology of Hebrews reaches its loftiest peak as Jesus, the eternal high priest, enters the inner sanctum of the universe where he offers up his own body and blood in voluntary submission to God as a sacrifice for sins once, forever, in behalf of all humanity. He is both priest and victim, offerer and offering!

Good grief, Jerry. Even the evangelicals have got it right while affirming Pauline authorship.

Again, from the World Wide Encyclopedia of Christianity at Wheaton:
Hebrews, Epistle to - (1.) Its canonicity. All the results of critical and historical research to which this epistle has been specially subjected abundantly vindicate its right to a place in the New Testament canon among the other inspired books.

(2.) Its authorship. A considerable variety of opinions on this subject has at different times been advanced. Some have maintained that its author was Silas, Paul's companion. Others have attributed it to Clement of Rome, or Luke, or Barnabas, or some unknown Alexandrian Christian, or Apollos; but the conclusion which we think is best supported, both from internal and external evidence, is that Paul was its author. There are, no doubt, many difficulties in the way of accepting it as Paul's; but we may at least argue with Calvin that there can be no difficulty in the way of "embracing it without controversy as one of the apostolical epistles."
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(5.) Its design was to show the true end and meaning of the Mosaic system, and its symbolical and transient character. It proves that the Levitical priesthood was a "shadow" of that of Christ, and that the legal sacrifices prefigured the great and all-perfect sacrifice he offered for us. It explains that the gospel was designed, not to modify the law of Moses, but to supersede and abolish it. Its teaching was fitted, as it was designed, to check that tendency to apostatize from Christianity and to return to Judaism which now showed itself among certain Jewish Christians. The supreme authority and the transcendent glory of the gospel are clearly set forth, and in such a way as to strengthen and confirm their allegiance to Christ.

(6.) It consists of two parts: (a) doctrinal (1-10:18), (b) and practical (10:19-ch. 13).
Since I was formatting the quotes on Pauline authorship of Hebrews anyway, I also included two more of the general descriptions of the orthodox reading attributed to Hebrews 10. Notice the lack of a mention of eternal security. I'm not too worried about your accusation that I don't understand the general message of book of Hebrews. Other summaries by the great commentators, including Calvin, confirm my readings in Hebrews 10 specifically and in general for the entire book of Hebrews. It is your view and particular fetish within chapter 10 that is truly isolated from reputable scholarship.

I'm surprised that you claim that almost no one believes Paul authored Hebrews. The apostasy and doubts of the dubious scholarship of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century are being repudiated. But you are free to believe what you like. You can believe Caligula wrote Hebrews if you like. Are you certain enough that Paul did not write Hebrews that you would teach it in a Sunday school class under your teaching authority and responsibility?
123 posted on 09/07/2001 10:57:49 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush, cc: the_doc, spudgin, any other calvinist
You, sir, are a credit to your position.

I would like to float these difficulties out to all you calvinists-- and I am honestly seeking an answer (these are my remaining objections):

I Timothy 2:4-- "God our Saviour... will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." Now, this is my sticking point to accepting the limited atonement, and therefore, the whole shebang. And please dont give me the "all doesnt mean all" line-- I've heard it, and its at best a weak argument.

Similarly, II Peter 2:1 is troubling about the limited atonement: "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

Can y'all help me?

124 posted on 09/07/2001 11:08:05 AM PDT by jude24
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To: fortheDeclaration, RnMomof7, jude24
To the_doc-I started reading your post on Romans and stopped right at the point where you stated that 'God did not intend to save them!(Vs6)

Actually, Paul is clearly saying that God did not intend to save all of the Jews in Paul's day.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of heathen raging, IMO. (You anti-Calvinists aren't real lovely folks, are you?)

I did read it, however--and as promised, I laughed.

125 posted on 09/07/2001 11:15:38 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: George W. Bush
"Are you certain enough that Paul did not write Hebrews that you would teach it in a Sunday school class under your teaching authority and responsibility?"

Here is exactly what I had to say when I preached through the book of Hebrews a couple of years ago:

The book of Hebrews is anonymous. Even though there have been various theories given as to who the actual author is, there has never been an agreement within the church. There are some who have wanted to attribute this book to Paul, but due to the fact that it differs stylistically from his other writings, this is doubtful. One thing is certain, if the book is not authored by Paul, it is certainly written by someone who is closely connected to him and his circle of friends.

Now, you ought to be more careful. In your stubborn attempt to be difficult, you don't even read your own authorities. They don't state that Hebrews has Pauline authorship (unless you side with the Eastern Orthodox). They state, along with Calvin, that this book has apostolic authority, but they don't state that Paul is the author.

You are becoming very contentious, and the fruit that you are exhibiting is not very pretty. You can believe what you want about my "orthodoxy", it bothers me not one bit. You attempt to paint me with a broad brush (19th century liberalism, etc.), but those who know me (including my Christ) know that I am true to His Word. You, on the other hand, would be better served reading that Word, and spending less time looking for authorities to support you in your fights against Christians.

126 posted on 09/07/2001 11:22:50 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: fortheDeclaration, RnMomof7, jude24
1 Corinthians 2:14 is still the main text. And you are ignoring it.

Guess why? (Re-read 1 Corinthians 2:14 for the answer. Ah, but I don't think you will get it.)

This is getting funnier by the minute.

127 posted on 09/07/2001 11:23:51 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: Matchett-PI
Is the Christian faith (at its heart) some sort of blind leap into a dark abyss, then? I don't believe, as some have, that my faith can be fully rationalized as one does a scientific belief. But the work of God in our faith is ongoing. I need not question it if you have purely rational belief. Your faith is your own concern. I can't see your heart and have no need to.

Or is the Christian faith the only "rational" faith? Well, to anyone who is Christian, it is. But any absolutely rational system of thought discards faith immediately as immeasurable and therefore nonexistent. Rationality isn't what changed my life. If Christianity is only rational, it is not what the Bible claims it to be. There is a definite supernatural reality in the Christian faith. And supernatural events do occur to any believer. God does have His way of showing His hand to a particular believer. I would suspect that you have had such inexplicable, essentially irrational, experiences as well. I never discuss my own. But I don't doubt that God tailors these things to confirm our faith, that He does not expect us to walk solely by a rational faith or by supernatural experience. In my own case, being afflicted from time to time with terrible doubts, God provided me with three major events in my life that are completely inexplicable to me by any rational means. Our Lord knows my doubting heart well and has provided a rock upon which I can stand when the Lie of doubt and unbelief comes to tempt me. But I doubt He makes exactly this provision for others because they probably don't need it as I do. He is, to each of us, a very personal Saviour. I suspect He makes simliar provision for others but have no need to question it. However, I would be concerned if you claimed you were Christian and that you had never experienced any supernatural event in your life. I'm confident this is not the case for you.

Only misguided Christians regard philosophy, science, or any intellectual pursuit as somehow incompatible with the Christian faith/religion.

Only uninformed/misinformed Christians think that reason and logic are threats to the Christian faith/religion.
I will disagree most strongly. There are certain types of thinking that are utterly alien to any believer. To truly embrace and to understand them fully, you must adopt their basic premises. I will not embrace or entertain the basic views of evolutionists. That is a terrible peril to faith. One may grasp generally or understand their thinking. But to fully understand it, one must adopt their most basic thought. I will not blaspheme God by accepting their basic premises. I made that mistake once and it cost me my faith. I will not cast it aside again. There are certain philosophies and ideas like moral relativism that I will not embrace. These ideas are antithetical to a spiritual world view and to accepting the laws of God. You cannot hold both views at once. Again, I once made such a mistake.

You may be free to consider the damnably pleasing philosphies of men or the blasphemous notions of the evolutionists and other "scientists" of their kind. I have gladly surrendered and repudiated my "freedom" to so carelessly consider God's creation and His laws for mankind.

Looking back at my previous post, I will apologize if any of my opinions were stated too strongly. Clearly, you're no delicate thing, easily bruised. But not all of my previous remarks were directed solely toward you. Sometimes, when I start writing, these things acquire a life of their own.

128 posted on 09/07/2001 11:25:58 AM PDT by George W. Bush (the essence of discernment is to know when others try to add or take away from the Word)
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To: George W. Bush
"(the essence of discernment is to know when others try to add or take away from the Word)"

And, where in The Word does it state that the Apostle Paul is the author of the book of Hebrews? Discernment, a rare and precious commodity.

Of course, stating that "perfected forever" doesn't mean "eternally secure" is not very discerning either.

129 posted on 09/07/2001 11:33:37 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: CCWoody
To CCWoody-Hey, Woody I mean exactly what I said! Man cannot do anything 'pleasing' to God to fill in that chasm between him and God (Job.9:33)

The problem is that Calvinists think that any activity on the part of man makes that a 'good work'. The 'chasm' has been filled by the Kinsman-redeemer. He has done the 'work' which was pleasing to to God. We only receive the free gift of salvation.

I still haven't gotten an answer about Cornelius. Was he saved at Acts.10:2 or not?

First of all, what the Calvinists seem to forget is that Paul, in establishing the universal guilt of both Jews and Gentiles (Rom.3.1,9) quotes from the OT to give WEIGHT to his arguments..nor to teach the inability of man to believe on Jesus Christ.

For instance, Cornelius, an unregenerate sinner (Acts 11:14) was a 'just man, and that feareth God, and of good report'(Acts.10:22). He was a 'devout man, and one that feared God with all his house'(Acts.10:2)

...nothing is said in the phrase in question (or the verse or context)(speaking of Rom3:10-18) about anyone not being able to seek God, although that is how every Calvinist reads it. The Bible commands men to seek God: Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near (Isa.55:6) For thus saith the Lord unto the house of Israel, seek ye me,and ye shall live (Amos 5:4)

See also Zep2:3, 1Chr.16:11.

Moreover, the Lord states that those who seek Him will find Him (Jer.29:13-14) and He rewards those who 'diligently seek Him(Heb.11:6)

The Bible ssays that me are blessed who seek God, 'with their whole heart'(Psa.119:2). In fact, it is said to be evil not to seek God (2Chr.12:14) and worthy of death (2Chr.15:13

And finally, seeking God is not the same thing as believing the Gospel. Seeking God is not enough....I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins (John8:24)

If the reason that men don't seek God is not because they have Total Depravity, then what is it? The reason men don't seek God is simple: 'the wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts(Psa.10:4)

(Vance, the Other Side,p.229-230)

But even if man does not seek God, God still seeks man! (Jn.12:32,1Jn.2:2,1Tim.2:4,4:10,Heb.2:9,2Pet.3:9,Rom.10:29, Matt.23:37,Jn.3:16)

Only when men rejects the free gift is his fate sealed (Jn.16:9)

Can man do anything pleasing to God to FILL THE CHASM, that is the issue, Woody, not that man can do ANYTHING pleasing to God at all. Ofcourse, you are so conditioned to twist words and phrases into the shape of TULIP you can't understand plain English.

It pleases God for the individual to be saved, but that is not what filled the gap, the work of Christ on the Cross did that. It is because the Father is pleased with the work of the Son that we can now enter into that relationship(Gal.3:22-29)

Thus, while our own righteousness is as 'filthy rags' (Isa.64:6)we obtain Christ's righteousness by faith,' And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith'(Phil.3:9)

Hey, Woody did you notice both through and BY faith-how about that!

You are going to talk about Eph.1 and 2 and you cannot even get that straight!

Even so, come Lord Jesus

130 posted on 09/07/2001 11:39:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: the_doc
I think GWB has Wesley's spirit in disguise. :) I think I'll just continue to watch as you continue to try to push Christ from His judgment seat from your omniscient yet anonymous vantage point on an internet message board. :)
131 posted on 09/07/2001 11:44:32 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: fortheDeclaration, jude24, RnMomof7
How do you explain the free will offers? Are they real or only apparent? Is God deceiving us, with words like 'all' and 'whosoever'?

The offer is sincere inasmuch as Christ's Atonement is sufficient for all and inasmuch as man's wicked refusal to repent for real and believe for real is man's own fault.

On the other hand, it is patently obvious that the free offer is made to people who are wickedly contemptuous of God and Truth in ways that are very deceptive, even profoundly self-deceptive (Jeremiah 17:9). As it turns out, the entire race is in this mess. So, God has to regenerate people in order to have any proper respondents.

It's a very strange set-up from our point of view. But it does establish a sincere free offer made by an angry Creator who is determined to save a remnant of the wicked race and renew/re-create His beloved kosmos with them to populate it. And the entire set-up is fully predestinarian.

So, your objections mean nothing. You'd better go back and read #14.

132 posted on 09/07/2001 11:50:10 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: Jerry_M
In your stubborn attempt to be difficult, you don't even read your own authorities. They don't state that Hebrews has Pauline authorship (unless you side with the Eastern Orthodox). They state, along with Calvin, that this book has apostolic authority, but they don't state that Paul is the author. I was merely continuing to repudiate your previous statement which was: "P.S. - Contrary to your earlier post, there is almost no one who holds to a Pauline authorship of the book of Hebrews. I am still rooting for Priscilla.".

It is easily demonstrated that both Arminian and Calvinist scholars give Paul the benefit of the doubt in the authorship of Hebrews. I merely grabbed two of the most convenient. I could, at your request, continue the exercise with Lutherans and Presbyterians and all the rest. Your statement clearly was not accurate. The casting of doubts upon the authorship of the Pauline epistles reached its height a few decades ago and is now subsiding as a sounder generation repudiates the earlier doubts floated about traditional beliefs concerning authorship of the New Testament. This is an area directly connected with the dangerous speculations found in the "higher" textual criticism.

Your own speculations are your own personal responsibility. I was merely concerned that someone might seriously believe that there actually is "almost no one who holds to a Pauline authorship of the book of Hebrews" which was your earlier assertion.
133 posted on 09/07/2001 11:56:55 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
You need to read I John 2:1 and see the purpose of WHY John is doing or writting to these people. Then also go to the book of Romans Chapters 6,7,8 and read what Paul has to say about it. And maybe especially this

Rom 5:20-6:1

"Rom 6:1-4

I am not trying to preach at you or belittle you. Just trying to help. I would be very interest in carrying on a discussion on victory over temptation and sin. Please now !!! This DOES NOT mean you are EVER going to have TEMPTATION or EVER SIN AGAIN.

Be blessed

don

134 posted on 09/07/2001 11:59:14 AM PDT by drot
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To: the_doc
Yep but what happened to Rom 9,John6 and I John 2:19 ??

regards

don

135 posted on 09/07/2001 12:06:47 PM PDT by drot
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
Ditto your #93.
136 posted on 09/07/2001 12:14:28 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: ShadowAce
Oddly enough, most of what you said in your post was wrong. No kidding.

Maybe I'll get a chance to explain this later. But I'll be pretty busy for a while.

137 posted on 09/07/2001 12:19:51 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: CCWoody
You know full well that Total depravity means that the sinner can ONLY make one decision, to continue to follow his old nature. So do you....

Depravity means that a chasm has been created where man, born into sin and therefore spiritually dead cannot do anything to please God. --- fortheDeclaration

Or, are you telling me you don't pay attention to what comes out of your mouth?

Woody there is a difference between total depravity and depravity

138 posted on 09/07/2001 12:43:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: George W. Bush
"O how hard it is for the eye of man to discern betwixt chaff and wheat! And how many upright hearts are now censured, whom God will clear! How many false hearts are now approved whom God will condemn! Men ordinarily have no convictive proofs, but only probable symptoms; which at most beget but a conjectural knowledge of another's state. And they that shall peremptorily judge either way, may possibly wrong the generation of the upright, or on the other side, absolve and justify the wicked. And truly, considering what has been said, it is no wonder that dangerous mistakes are so frequently made in this matter." Flavel's Husbandry Spiritualized, chap. 12.

I see much truth in that

139 posted on 09/07/2001 12:56:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Matchett-PI,George W. Bush
#118: "Christianity is not, at its heart, an intellectual religion."

Is the Christian faith (at its heart) some sort of blind leap into a dark abyss, then? Or is the Christian faith the only "rational" faith? Only misguided Christians regard philosophy, science, or any intellectual pursuit as somehow incompatible with the Christian faith/religion.

Only uninformed/misinformed Christians think that reason and logic are threats to the Christian faith/religion.

I think GWB is saying in other words what a new Christian said to me after Sunday School a few weeks ago..."how wonderful that God would write his word so even the simple can understand it!"

If Jesus wanted this to be a faith of intellectuals He would have chosen His followers from the Scribes and Pharisees instead of fisherman . The one intellectual He did chose to build the church,He had to knock off his high horse first!

140 posted on 09/07/2001 1:06:29 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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