Recommendations for those falsely accused of child abuse

victims of child abuse laws ^

[sendtoscott]

Here's another: If you threaten ANYONE'S life, you will lose your kids.

Should you go to jail for making a threat? Do your constitutional rights cease to exist if someone can claim "its for the children"?

[AppyPappy]

Yes. It's against the law to threaten people's lives and it sure makes you look like some out-of-control nutbag who shouldn't be raising kids. Look at all the cases where the mom has killed the kids because she went off her nut. Stay calm, ask lots of questions and be firm. CPS does not randomly take children. They have to go before a judge with proof.

And if you are a man, you are screwed because the woman is always right.

[sendtoscott]

CPS does not randomly take children. They have to go before a judge with proof.

And if you are a man, you are screwed because the woman is always right.

So which is it?

[F.J. Mitchell]

BUMP!

[NCSteve]

CPS does not randomly take children. They have to go before a judge with proof.

Not true in all cases. That is what the NC ruling is all about. If the NCSSC upholds the lower court ruling, it means (in NC at least) that CPS is exempt from probable cause as well as habeas corpus. They would need no intervention by the courts before confiscating your children. Furthermore, as long as the NC ruling is not struck down by another court, it can be used as a precedent by attorneys representing CPS's in any other state. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[AppyPappy]

They still have to eventually go before a judge in order to take the kids. If you are threatening to burn the kids alive, they can step in.

[AppyPappy]

Both. They do not randomly take children. Men have it worse than women in court.

[sendtoscott]

Both. They do not randomly take children. Men have it worse than women in court.

"Not random" does not mean "fair". The KKK didn't target people "at random", they targeted blacks and Catholics (among others). CPS can act unjustly and not at all randomly.

[agrace]

You know what I don't understand...if they are not considered agents of the state and therefore don't need a warrant, on what grounds then can they demand entry into your house at all?

Can't you just refuse them access like you can any other private sector person, such as vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses? If they are not agents of the state, WHO gives them the authority to supercede private property laws??? I'd LOVE to understand this one, if you can explain it to me, thanks.

[Phantom Lord]

I can't. And that is the point of the law suit. The NC Supreme Court is going to be ruling on this. If they side with the appeals court then the HSLD has vowed to take it to the USSC. I wouldn't be surprised if the state takes it to the USSC if they lose.

It would be interesting to find a CPS worker at your door and then tell them "The NC Court of Appeals has ruled that you are not an agent of the state. Could you tell me by what authority you are attempting to gain access to my property and children?"

[sam_paine]

How about a list of things to do/not do when handing over your guns to the ATF....

[agrace]

Thanks for the response. :) I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something. It is absolutely unbelievable that a judge could actually suggest we are to just let CPS have access to our homes and children if they are not considered agents of the state, which in itself is absurd.

[NCSteve]

Better yet: "If you have not vacated my front porch within 10 seconds, I will contact law enforcement to file a trespassing complaint. Further, I will be contacting the District Attorney's office to pursue a harrassment complaint and a communication of a kidnapping threat complaint. Have a nice day."

[TiredMomNTX]

The problem with that is I have resolved several of mine in 20 minutes , but when there are several of those 20 min. resolutions it adds up.

[TiredMomNTX]

I agree to that 100%. My ex's wife has had a phsyc evaluation where she was proven to try to be someone that she is not, but yet CPS still gave her a permit, after having her kids taken pryor, to have a daycare in her home and be responsible enough to care for my children while their father is not home.

[TiredMomNTX]

It just means that they are inexperienced and have no idea of what divorce with children can cause

[TiredMomNTX]

Not many care about the kids. They say they do, but they would prefer to play God.

[Inked Deadman]

So, being a disabled parent, with a seizure disorder, not aware of these rules and unwittingly willingly giving my kids over to my ex wife without CPS court orders or anything in NYS and so far abiding by their facist nazi taking of my life, finding NO help from legal aid or other legal avenues....what would one suggest I do to clear my name in an undetermined case as of the moment?