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US collects $2.4T in income tax, but spends $1.5T on fraud
X.com ^ | Dec 31, 2025 | Arthur MacWaters✓ @ArthurMacwaters | Reposted by Elon Musk✓ @elonmusk

Posted on 01/01/2026 6:10:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

this is shocking:

we don't need to raise taxes. we need to cut fraud


(Excerpt) Read more at x.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: fraud; fraudisbad; incometax; noitdoesnt

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1 posted on 01/01/2026 6:10:40 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BTTT!


2 posted on 01/01/2026 6:25:03 PM PST by Jane Long (Jesus is Lord!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And there you have it. 😣


3 posted on 01/01/2026 6:26:21 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Can we get Musk to come in and kick Congress A$$ to CUT this out?

[Not bloody likely....]


4 posted on 01/01/2026 6:32:41 PM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

$1.5 T spent on fraudulent activities? That sounds WAY high.


5 posted on 01/01/2026 6:39:44 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I don’t believe this. Probably the money is wasted but only some is fraudulent. I think they are confusing fraud and waste.


6 posted on 01/01/2026 6:45:05 PM PST by central_va (DI won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn... )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Definitely not a good tradeoff.


7 posted on 01/01/2026 6:51:29 PM PST by gildafarrell ("To Strive, To Seek, To Find and Not To Yield!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think Trump should demand even more money. Congress will obey his wishes. DOGE found fraud and more money was demanded. The same plan works every time.
Everyone will trust the plan.


8 posted on 01/01/2026 7:00:51 PM PST by SavannahWonderer (First do no harm)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The federal income tax was created in the 1910’s (required amending the US Constitution)
on the basis that “the average working man will never pay even one thin dime in the new federal income tax!”
it was sold as an anti-rich-folks measure (think: owners of railroads, steel plants, oil refineries, and big banks)

working people not having to pay the federal income tax would be totally consistent with the promises made to the voters to get the damned tax enacted in the first place


9 posted on 01/01/2026 7:01:28 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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(required amending the US Constitution)

Which never happened because they could not get enough states to ratify it.

10 posted on 01/01/2026 7:49:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (I have nro answers. Only questions.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Seriously over taxed. Look we’re all OUR MONEY is going, time to stop supporting the world.


11 posted on 01/01/2026 7:59:23 PM PST by Ronald77 ( )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not laying taxes is spreading. If the govt doesn’t get control of the fraud they are gonna have a serious issue on their hands.


12 posted on 01/01/2026 8:06:29 PM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

COULD ALSO INCREASE SOC SEC FOR ELDERLY


13 posted on 01/01/2026 8:30:37 PM PST by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: central_va
>>I don’t believe this. Probably the money is wasted but only some is fraudulent. I think they are confusing fraud and waste.<<

Just a case of semantics, waste is a form of fraud...

14 posted on 01/01/2026 8:33:56 PM PST by Smittie (Just li <p>k an alien I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

CBO.gov says $4.1T was for ‘mandatory’ outlays.

One state (which happens to be the sole holdout from 1984 Reagan wave) is making national waves (unless you listen to MSM where they’re ignoring it) and you think the other states are immune, or maybe it’s not really proportionally bad?

Facts aren’t all known but I’m strongly with those that opine that we’re being robbed blind and could be a free country tomorrow if we could shrug off the thieves. Obviously that will not be an overnight task...


15 posted on 01/01/2026 8:55:36 PM PST by No.6
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“I’m strongly with those that opine that we’re being robbed blind”

Ditto. But it’s the magnitude that’s open for discussion.


16 posted on 01/01/2026 9:06:08 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

In my own previous estimations, taking all the taxpayer monies across the entire spectrum of government disbursements, I had concluded we were losing $1-1.5 Trillion dollars.

This $9 billion is the figurative tip of the iceberg.

And it is a big iceberg.


17 posted on 01/01/2026 9:29:47 PM PST by rlmorel (Factio Communistica Sinensis Delenda Est.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Discussion is unhelpful. Stop payments and reauthorize what can be proven lawful. Anything else including this post is just blathering.


18 posted on 01/01/2026 9:31:55 PM PST by No.6
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Everybody pays their fair share. No free riders.


19 posted on 01/01/2026 9:49:23 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Hi

This summarizes the issue jf states’ ratification for any interested FRers wishing to jump down the rabbit hole:

https://thelawthatneverwas.com/defects.aspx

Imho, it is probable that patent spelling or punctuation mistakes would be unlikely to impact things now

But if a state’s legislature didn’t approve the proposed amendment then yes that would be central to the issue (since it is the state legislatures which are expected to approve proposals to amend the US Constitution

A historian may wish to delve further


20 posted on 01/01/2026 10:51:36 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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