Posted on 12/03/2025 9:33:26 AM PST by Kazan
Espionage agencies seek secrets and keep secrets. To the extent that they inform the public what they know, they decide which secrets can be disclosed.
Western nations that call themselves “democracies” try to obfuscate this issue by pretending two things: (1) that intelligence agencies work, at all times, for the public good and (2) that a small body of elected officials effectively supervise the work of government spies. These are comforting delusions.
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Citizens expect clandestine services to spread disinformation and propaganda if doing so serves their interests. However, when the very institutions that construct alternative realities manufactured from endless lies tell the public that something is true, the public is expected to believe them.
The number of lies that the CIA has told the public since its formation in 1947 is vast. In recent years, though, two stand out: (1) Former CIA director John Brennan conspired with other Intelligence Community officials to frame President Trump as a Russian spy. (2) Fifty-one prominent Intelligence officials worked to discredit true reporting with regards to Hunter Biden’s criminally damning “laptop from Hell” by insinuating that the contents of the laptop were part of a Russian disinformation operation. In the former instance, members of the Intelligence Community actively led an effort to sabotage a legitimately elected president and induce his resignation or removal from office. In the latter instance, members of the Intelligence Community actively undermined a presidential election by helping to censor truth and spread lies.
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Rather than recognizing that Intelligence Community lies have recently been weaponized to spy on Americans and undermine elections, complicit officials and media institutions are trying to distract Americans with new “narratives” meant to sabotage the Trump administration once again. The Intelligence Community’s ongoing efforts to subvert the presidency constitute a national emergency.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
The intelligence community is a great expense - something like $100 billion/year.
The Day of the Condor went over this
It seems there is “no solution” we need to have intelligence agencies - foreign and domestic- it’s a big country and a big world so they need to be pretty big.
But to be effective they need secrecy and autonomy and to able to operate without being overly managed -
It seems like the “Intelligence Community” is predominantly a Democrat Party organization ... not too many Republicans ...
as for Intel “Branch”, James Madison would be very disappointed.
(and Andrew Jackson, and both Roseveldt would know who to fire or jail)
If I were locked in a room with an agent from the CIA, FBI, and NSA and I had a gun with only two bullets...
I’d shoot myself in the back of the head 3 times
My wife asked me why I carry a gun around the house...
I told her, “Fear of the CIA”.
She laughed, I laughed, the Amazon Echo laughed. I shot the Amazon Echo
What is the CIA’s favorite band?
Dead Kennedys
Did you guys hear? Congress disbanded the CIA
Because they realized that the American people don’t want intelligence to be a part of government
NOR DO THEY NEED TO, IMO.
IF YOU WANT “INTEL” YOU HAVE TO PROTECT YOUR SOURCES.
Higgins: It would have to be somebody in the community.
Turner: Community?
Higgins: Intelligence field.
Turner: Community! Jesus, you guys are kind to yourselves. Community.
Bullcrap. Operate without oversight?
The bottom line, we did just fine with Army and Navy intelligence until WWII when British intelligence contaminated America with American agencies created in the Brit image.
Henry Stimson said it best, gentlemen do not read other people’s mail. People made fun of that, but when the Jap sneak attack happened on Dec 7, he presided over the building of the biggest war machine the world has ever seen and oversaw the Manhattan Project... and he insisted those two were dropped on Japan.
THAT is how you operate. Act with honor in the world, not like the sneaks in modern spying. And have enough strength that nobody would dare violate that fact that you act with honor.
Our spy agencies are dishonorable and cause far more harm to America that they prevent. It’s not even close. They should all be shut down and the DIA and Army and Navy should resume those functions.
America’s Praetorian Guard.
From their founding under Augustus in 27 BC (which also coincides with the end of the Repubic), to the first assassination of an Emperor arranged by the Praetorians’ (as well as appointing a new Emporer) in 41 AD - was about 68 years
If you look at the founding of the CIA in 1947, 68 years would bring us to 2015 (Trump become President Jan. 2017)
that seems to be a useful fractal, given human nature, the time scale of human institutions and history.
You cannot really want a national spy ring intelligence agency that answers to no one. That’s how you get JFKs head blown off, Epstein island and Biden bribery and daughter rape hidden, that how you get the Russia-gate insurrection to overthrow the government. That’s how you get the government sucking and storing in every single electronic communication you create. That is how you get the CIA-Vindman spy ring in Trump’s first term.
The national spies are rarely needed. We need Naval Intelligence, Army Intelligence and DIA/ signals intelligence for tactical reasons.
But our intelligence no longer serves tactical needs as to enemy capabilities and activities. Today it is assassinations, overthrowing governments, and subversion and repression here in America. After 9/11 the intelligence monster turned it’s evil gaze inward at America and hasn’t stopped.
Our founders would have -never- tolerated a spy agency they did not fully control.
It only took the CIA 15 years to blow JFKs head off after they were created. The Praetorian Guard is a VERY good analogy.
They soon moved from protecting the Roman government, to running it and selecting and killing leaders as needed.
Personally, the whole Congressional oversight has failed. That means that the agencies as structured and coordinated with brother/sister agencies of other countries CANNOT BE TRUSTED. That means US citizens should view these intelligence agencies with about the same perspective as the Stasi and KGB have historically been viewed (organizations that are essentially evil by nature).
I personally, am all for reforming these agencies in ways that change the culture of those agencies. I don't mind if it offends the intelligence agencies of other countries (especially the evil 5-eyes group). The American people need to have a government they can trust and the current intelligence agencies, although somewhat well intentioned, are basically out of control. The best way to solve the public trust issue is to use the budget process for Congress to impose serious oversight, expand intelligence agency whistle blower protection laws, and force all levels of intelligence agencies to have mandatory ethics enforcement officials.
How quaint to believe they would actually use such a standard when the public has demonstrably almost never candidly seen (the corruption of) their inner workings!
The fox guarding the hen house should be the model that most closely resembles this long-operative circumstance.
Can we at the very least find out who bugged the resolute desk ?
J. Edgar Hoover turned the Intelligence Branch into a code word LEVERAGE for when democrats are in charge if D.C..
The Cold War officially began with the Truman Doctrine (March 12)
The National Security Act created the CIA.
Also..
The National Security Act of 1947 was a law enacting major restructuring of the United States government's military and intelligence agencies following World War II. The majority of the provisions of the act took effect on September 18, 1947, the day after the Senate confirmed James Forrestal as the first secretary of defense.
(Forrestal was to die 18 months later under questionable circumstances)
Aside from the unification of the three military departments, the act established the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency, the latter of which is headed by the director of central intelligence.
This act created the Air Force as it's own department - coincidentally the government agency responsible for UFO investigations.
Kenneth Arnold’s June 24, 1947 sighting (“flying saucer”) in Washington State near Mount Rainier. The first highly publicized sighting, began the modern UFO phenomenon.
Roswell UFO incident (some say psyop) July 1947
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