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Johnson called US peace plan 'a complete capitulation' and betrayal
News Ukraine ^ | 23 Nov 25 | Oleh Velhan

Posted on 11/25/2025 6:47:20 AM PST by delta7

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson called the US peace plan a complete capitulation by Ukraine’s so-called friends and said it amounted to a betrayal, according to his article for the Daily Mail.

Johnson writes that Vladimir Putin "cannot help but smile" this Saturday at what he describes as the incompetence of his opponents and the remarkable weakness of the West.

According to him, Russia has lost "more than a million soldiers, killed and wounded, trying to subdue Ukraine," has still failed to capture more than 20 percent of the country’s territory, and its economy is collapsing. Yet, he says, Western officials are now talking about a new 28-point plan to end the war, a plan he suggests "might as well have been written in the Kremlin."...

.....European leaders reacted with outrage and quickly began drafting their own alternative plan.....


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bojotheclown; peaceplan
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To: Hot Tabasco

Patton said US artillery was the decisive factor in WW2....my father a WW2 infantryman stated the same, Germans literally destroyed by our artillery, especially on the divisional level........current estimates of Vlad’s artillery to Ukie artillery, up from 7:1 now 14:1 .......confirmed by many Ukie soldier testimonies.


41 posted on 11/25/2025 12:14:29 PM PST by delta7
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To: BobL
the only ‘betrayal’ here was telling Zelensky that he could defeat Russia in a protracted war

The war has gone on for almost 4 years now.

It's a war which neither side seems to be able to win.

But the longer it drags on, the worse it will be for both.

But, things will be worse for Russia if the war continues for another year or two.

Russia's military has been systematically destroyed, to the point that they can't even take more Ukrainian territory, much less enter another war with another country.

At this point, Russia has lost a lot more than Ukraine, militarily and economically. The Russian economy cannot sustain the military effort for much longer.

Some 8-9 months ago, Ukraine was told it didn't 'have the cards' to win or to end up even, but now, Ukraine has more than enough cards to actually win the war. Even Trump said as much just a couple months ago.

The 28-point deal is a non-starter for Ukraine or even for Europe.

It is a 'rescue deal', but not for Ukraine. Russia could be rendered irrelevant on the world stage, militarily and economically. In a way, Trump is attempting to rescue Russia from the devastation which it's undergoing from the ill-advised invasion of Ukraine. If the war goes on much longer, Russia will not matter anymore.

Trump is attempting to rescue his 'friend', Putin, and Russia. Ukraine will not bite on the 'deal', and apparently, neither are the NATO European countries.
42 posted on 11/25/2025 12:16:50 PM PST by adorno ( )
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To: Skooz
Ukraine cannot win this war in a thousand years.

Apparently, neither can Russia. Which is one of the reasons that Trump is trying to end the ENDLESS killing and destruction.
43 posted on 11/25/2025 12:24:30 PM PST by adorno ( )
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To: Robert DeLong
The whole reason for the plan to get Russia to invade Ukraine, was to give them reason to get Putin removed so that they could seize Russia's natural minreral wealth that lies within their land mass that has a value in the high tens of trillions.

If ti's true that Russia has massive natural minerals wealth, why aren't they making use of it to enrich their citizens and improve their infrastructure? That wealth has been there FOREVER. So, your assertions/accusations are foolish.
44 posted on 11/25/2025 12:28:02 PM PST by adorno ( )
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To: SaxxonWoods
Yeah, that’s what happens when you lose a war. You ‘misunderestimated’ the country you wanted to take down.

Yeah, I agree.

Putin and Russia stupidly miscalculated the war effort that it would require to take down Ukraine. Putin is thinking of that song that says, "I wish I knew then what I know now".
45 posted on 11/25/2025 12:31:25 PM PST by adorno ( )
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To: Hot Tabasco
They say the same thing about the Ukraine. I think those numbers are all bullshit.

Then, explain to all of us why Russia has to recruit 30,000 to 50,000 men per month to send to the front-lines?

Russia is losing that many men monthly in the war, and by now, the Russian casualties are approaching 2 million, dead and injured.

Also, why did Russia need to 'employ' foreign fighters, from N.Korea and Syrian and from other countries? Those foreign troops are not counted as Russian casualties, which almost all of them end up being.
46 posted on 11/25/2025 12:40:08 PM PST by adorno ( )
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To: adorno
That wealth has been there FOREVER. So, your assertions/accusations are foolish.

So, you are not contending that my claim of their wealth in natural elements present in their landmass, is a false claim. Good for you.

Well, you are certainly free to your opinion that I am follish. I will submit that I have certain had my incidences of foolishness. But this is not one of those instances. All I can suggest is that you look into my claims, as well as, look into the economic health of the world. One can only speculate why Putin has not taken advantage of the natural elements that exist in the landmass known as Russia. I can only speculate, but I honestly do not put much in speculating. It's such an imprecise art.

Perhaps they may not have the technology to take advantage of it.

It also could be that the procss that has benn stated is supposedly a very filthy process, and he doesn't want to subject the citizens to that exposure. China doesn't care about its citizens.

The truth is that natural rare earths are not really rare at all. All nations possess them. We let China gain control of that, because we didn't want to create the environmental reality of getting them to a state of use.

If Europe got control of Russia, do you think they would hesitate to subject Russian citizens to environmental concerns to get to the wealth?

Heck European nations are not even concerned what their citizens are subjected to when it comes to mass immigration.

47 posted on 11/25/2025 1:08:57 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: adorno
Then, explain to all of us why Russia has to recruit 30,000 to 50,000 men per month to send to the front-lines?

I have no frickin ideas!

The question you need to be asking yourself is, who the hell comes up with these numbers? 50,000 per month for 45 months equals 2,274,975. Do you really think that that many Russians have been called up to serve?

If you do, then I can't argue with stupidity since that just draws me down to your level.

Russia is losing that many men monthly in the war

Are you serious? using your numbers, there should be nobody left in the Russian military

48 posted on 11/25/2025 3:31:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (uest)
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To: Hot Tabasco
The question you need to be asking yourself is, who the hell comes up with these numbers? 50,000 per month for 45 months equals 2,274,975. Do you really think that that many Russians have been called up to serve?

I don't know who comes up with those figures, but you can bet that for propaganda purposes, Russia is one of the sources for that kind of figure. Publicizing such numbers is meant to rattle Ukraine, and to pretend that Russia can outlast Ukraine with their troops numbers.

If you do, then I can't argue with stupidity since that just draws me down to your level.

They're no my figures, dopey.

It's what Putin would have Ukraine and others believe, in order to try to get them to realize that Ukraine has no chance of winning against the massive number of Russians.

Russia is losing that many men monthly in the war

Again, not my figures. It's what's reported, and even Trump has stated that around 7,500 are dying per week, which equals 30,000 or more. If those numbers are correct, you can be sure that the majority of those casualties are on the Russian side, since they are the ones launching offensives all the times, which makes them easy targets for the defending Ukrainians will all their drones catching all the Russian movements.

Are you serious? using your numbers, there should be nobody left in the Russian military

You need to seriously look at the number of casualties suffered by Russia. There is no other explanation for the huge number of recruitment being done by Russia. They've even had to offer huge payments in order to get people to send to the meat-grinder. And russia has also emptied out its prison system of all able-bodied criminals, who are forced to go to the front-line.

Also, why the need for N.Korean troops and Syrian troops and troops from Africa. Sure, they're all being paid, but if Russian had enough troops to handle the war, they would not need foreigners to do the battling for them.

Russia will never report their real number of casualties, but it is no doubt, close to 2 million by now, dead and injured. Hence, the need for their massive number of recruits.

Nobody would know better than the Ukrainian military about the number of Russian casualties, since they're the ones in the battle-front and the ones doing the counting. Russia would never report their dead and injured, since it's supposed to be kept secret and to prevent the opposition from using those numbers for propaganda purposes.

Ukrainian General Staff Estimates: The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reports a much higher figure for total Russian "personnel losses" (which includes all forms of casualties), most recently stating approximately 1,168,550 from Feb 24, 2022, to November 26, 2025.

Recent Daily Rate: Russian forces are currently estimated to be suffering over 900 casualties per day on average, a rate that has steadily increased in recent months as fighting intensifies in areas like the Donbas region.


Remember that Ukraine cannot count the number of injured that Russia carries away. It's also not possible to accurately count the number of dead that have been buried in place by the Russians.

Even after WW2, the number of casualties were impossible to count accurately, and the number dead and injured is likely much higher than reported, so the same applies to the number of casualties in the Ukraine war.
49 posted on 11/26/2025 11:25:35 AM PST by adorno ( )
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