Johnson called US peace plan 'a complete capitulation' and betrayal

News Ukraine ^ | 23 Nov 25 | Oleh Velhan

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Patton said US artillery was the decisive factor in WW2....my father a WW2 infantryman stated the same, Germans literally destroyed by our artillery, especially on the divisional level........current estimates of Vlad’s artillery to Ukie artillery, up from 7:1 now 14:1 .......confirmed by many Ukie soldier testimonies.

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the only ‘betrayal’ here was telling Zelensky that he could defeat Russia in a protracted war

The war has gone on for almost 4 years now.

It's a war which neither side seems to be able to win.

But the longer it drags on, the worse it will be for both.

But, things will be worse for Russia if the war continues for another year or two.

Russia's military has been systematically destroyed, to the point that they can't even take more Ukrainian territory, much less enter another war with another country.

At this point, Russia has lost a lot more than Ukraine, militarily and economically. The Russian economy cannot sustain the military effort for much longer.

Some 8-9 months ago, Ukraine was told it didn't 'have the cards' to win or to end up even, but now, Ukraine has more than enough cards to actually win the war. Even Trump said as much just a couple months ago.

The 28-point deal is a non-starter for Ukraine or even for Europe.

It is a 'rescue deal', but not for Ukraine. Russia could be rendered irrelevant on the world stage, militarily and economically. In a way, Trump is attempting to rescue Russia from the devastation which it's undergoing from the ill-advised invasion of Ukraine. If the war goes on much longer, Russia will not matter anymore.

Trump is attempting to rescue his 'friend', Putin, and Russia. Ukraine will not bite on the 'deal', and apparently, neither are the NATO European countries.

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Ukraine cannot win this war in a thousand years.

Apparently, neither can Russia. Which is one of the reasons that Trump is trying to end the ENDLESS killing and destruction.

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The whole reason for the plan to get Russia to invade Ukraine, was to give them reason to get Putin removed so that they could seize Russia's natural minreral wealth that lies within their land mass that has a value in the high tens of trillions.

If ti's true that Russia has massive natural minerals wealth, why aren't they making use of it to enrich their citizens and improve their infrastructure? That wealth has been there FOREVER. So, your assertions/accusations are foolish.

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Yeah, that’s what happens when you lose a war. You ‘misunderestimated’ the country you wanted to take down.

Yeah, I agree.

Putin and Russia stupidly miscalculated the war effort that it would require to take down Ukraine. Putin is thinking of that song that says, "I wish I knew then what I know now".

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They say the same thing about the Ukraine. I think those numbers are all bullshit.

Then, explain to all of us why Russia has to recruit 30,000 to 50,000 men per month to send to the front-lines?

Russia is losing that many men monthly in the war, and by now, the Russian casualties are approaching 2 million, dead and injured.

Also, why did Russia need to 'employ' foreign fighters, from N.Korea and Syrian and from other countries? Those foreign troops are not counted as Russian casualties, which almost all of them end up being.

[Robert DeLong]

That wealth has been there FOREVER. So, your assertions/accusations are foolish.

So, you are not contending that my claim of their wealth in natural elements present in their landmass, is a false claim. Good for you.

Well, you are certainly free to your opinion that I am follish. I will submit that I have certain had my incidences of foolishness. But this is not one of those instances. All I can suggest is that you look into my claims, as well as, look into the economic health of the world. One can only speculate why Putin has not taken advantage of the natural elements that exist in the landmass known as Russia. I can only speculate, but I honestly do not put much in speculating. It's such an imprecise art.

Perhaps they may not have the technology to take advantage of it.

It also could be that the procss that has benn stated is supposedly a very filthy process, and he doesn't want to subject the citizens to that exposure. China doesn't care about its citizens.

The truth is that natural rare earths are not really rare at all. All nations possess them. We let China gain control of that, because we didn't want to create the environmental reality of getting them to a state of use.

If Europe got control of Russia, do you think they would hesitate to subject Russian citizens to environmental concerns to get to the wealth?

Heck European nations are not even concerned what their citizens are subjected to when it comes to mass immigration.

[Hot Tabasco]

Then, explain to all of us why Russia has to recruit 30,000 to 50,000 men per month to send to the front-lines?

I have no frickin ideas!

The question you need to be asking yourself is, who the hell comes up with these numbers? 50,000 per month for 45 months equals 2,274,975. Do you really think that that many Russians have been called up to serve?

If you do, then I can't argue with stupidity since that just draws me down to your level.

Russia is losing that many men monthly in the war

Are you serious? using your numbers, there should be nobody left in the Russian military