Posted on 11/22/2025 12:27:23 PM PST by delta7
The new peace plan put forth by the White House is not Washington's final offer to Ukraine, U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters on Nov. 22.
The 28-point plan, crafted by Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in collaboration with Kremlin aide Kirill Dmitriev, calls for Ukraine to make sweeping territorial concessions to Russia, slash the size of its army, and make a constitutional commitment to never join NATO.
The White House has given Kyiv until Nov. 27 to decide whether it will accept these demands — which align closely with Moscow's maximalist aims — or lose American support.
Trump's remarks on Nov. 22 signaled that there may still be room for negotiation. When asked by reporters on Nov. 22 whether the plan represented his final offer to Ukraine, Trump said it did not.
"No, not my final offer," he said.
If President Volodymyr Zelensky refuses to accept the terms, "then he can continue to fight his little heart out," Trump added.
Trump's comments come after both U.S. and European officials condemned the plan as being blatantly pro-Russian.
Republican Senator Mitch McConnell said the plan rewards "Russian butchery" and runs counter to American interests, while Democrat Senator Jeanne Shaheen called it "a Putin plan for Ukraine." Other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle have denounced the plan.
European leaders also pushed back against the deal and their exclusion from negotiatations in a joint statement on Nov. 21.
Delegations from the U.S. and Ukraine are set to meet in Geneva, Switzerland on Nov. 22 to discuss the deal. They will be joined by representatives from the U.K., France, and Germany.
Trump's latest push for peace comes as Ukraine prepares to face its fourth winter at war — potentially its harshest yet amid a barrage of Russian attacks against Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
It also comes as both Trump and Zelensky face domestic turmoil, with Ukraine rocked by a corruption scandal that implicates several top officials and Trump facing renewed scrutiny over his ties to notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
"Ukraine may soon face an extremely difficult choice," Zelensky said on Nov. 21. "Either the loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner."
Pressuring/ bullying “little Zelensky” is the path of lesser resistance. A lot lot lot lesser than pressuring Putin. But the desired outcome of “Trump ended the Russia/Ukraine war when everyone else failed” is what matters regardless of the path. That line needs to be in Trump’s Nobel Peace prize application for next year.
I’m pretty sure the next offer will not be an improvement.
Get over it, Trump is your president.
“The new peace plan put forth by the White House is not Washington’s final offer to Ukraine...”
Mainly because they ain’t gonna buy it.
wy69
Zeeptards like Adorno think that assessment is Russian propaganda...
In Before The Stalker.
there is only one offer, Russia leaves.
“The 28-point plan, crafted by Trump’s Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in collaboration with Kremlin aide Kirill Dmitriev”
One of the points of the plan is that no Ukrainian gets prosecuted for their crimes, including embezzlement of US funds.
...which leads to the question of why would either Witkoff or Dmitriev (the Russian representative) put such a clause in the proposal?
Answer...the 28 point is plan IS NOT that the plan discussed by Witkoff and Dmitriev, but does have some elements of what they discussed...with ADDITIONS from the Neocon side, such as the example above.
there is only one offer, Russia leaves.
“battlefield...further plunging the EU into bankruptcy....”
Russia selling gold reserves to pay for war.
Unsustainable “War Economy”: The current economic model is seen by some analysts as unsustainable, as it prioritizes the military sector at the expense of civilian industries. This has led to labor shortages, high inflation, and concerns about long-term viability.
Corporate Debt and Bankruptcies: High interest rates have increased borrowing costs, leading to a rise in problematic corporate debt and warnings of a potential wave of bankruptcies, particularly in sectors not tied to the defense industry like real estate, coal mining, and freight transport.
Dwindling Reserves: Russia has been drawing down its National Wealth Fund (NWF) to cover budget deficits, and the liquid portion of these reserves has significantly decreased since the start of the war.
Long-term Outlook: While an imminent sovereign default is unlikely, economists forecast slower growth or even a recession in 2025 and 2026. The economy is seen as being on a path of long-term stagnation and decline, with a potential “cataclysmic economic collapse” in the future if current policies continue.
In summary, while Russia is not bankrupt, its economy is under significant strain and is mortgaging its future to sustain the war effort.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+russia+going+bankrupt&oq=is+russia+going+bankrupt
“One of the points of the plan is that no Ukrainian gets prosecuted for their crimes, including embezzlement of US funds.”
You are known to support Russia but Please! It says ALL PARTIES. That includes Russia and several others.
“You are known to support Russia but Please! It says ALL PARTIES. That includes Russia and several others.”
Russia doesn’t take seriously the idea of Europe prosecuting their leaders, since the prosecutions are ILLEGAL (not UN sanctioned) and thus are acts of war.
It make FAR MORE SENSE to pre-pardon the people who actually have something to fear, and that being the Ukrainians and their collaborators in the US...which is why it was added to the document after Witkoff’s meeting.
“domestic turmoil” 🎶🎶🎶🎶😂
“US...which is why it was added to the document after Witkoff’s meeting.”
FALSE! It was in the INITIAL draft.
“FALSE! It was in the INITIAL draft.”
Well, yeah, but the Russians haven’t said so, they call it the “US Peace Plan”, and it makes sense, given that only the Neocons would make sure that Ukraine and their collaborators get off the hook.
“Pressuring/ bullying “little Zelensky” is the path of lesser resistance. A lot lot lot lesser than pressuring Putin. But the desired outcome of “Trump ended the Russia/Ukraine war when everyone else failed” is what matters regardless of the path. That line needs to be in Trump’s Nobel Peace prize application for next year.”
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Pressuring the invaded nation into capitulation isn’t worthy of any prize.
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ - keep that Gaytor trollin’
Rawhide!
Hey Willsy, we're a little short on trolls over it The DU Today please do us all a big favor and go over there and troll a little for us will you please? Leave this thread for the Trump fans. Thanks
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